Well, the tags refer to Gerle and Dowland because they both stand for a certain period, and both have written about setting frets – and ay, there's the rub, because Dowland cited Gerle's much earlier instructions, including a miscalculation.
It would be nice to have a lute from Gerle's workshop. The man was an instrument builder as well as a teacher of both viols and lute, but there is not a single Instrument known from his Hands, only the six-course lute from a later member of the Gerle family which is in Vienna today. Best Joachim-----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments Datum: 2019-07-20T12:42:16+0200 Von: "Jurgen Frenz" <eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> An: "jo.lued...@t-online.de" <jo.lued...@t-online.de> I had the impression that the downloadable xcel sheet by the American Lute Society says so because it names tunings "Gerle's lute" and "Downland's lute" among others - I would be glad to learn better. https://home.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/download/index.html Best Jurgen ---------------------------------- “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, July 20, 2019 2:37 PM, <jo.lued...@t-online.de> wrote: > That must be some misunderstanding - there are no instruments on which one > could base Gerle or Dowland tmperaments. > > Best > > Jo > > Originalnachricht > Von: Jurgen Frenz > Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Juli 2019 05:40 > An: Daniel Shoskes > Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Cc: Lute List; Tristan von Neumann > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute Temperaments > > from what I read the fret calculators on the net are based on historic > instruments - hence a distinct Gerle and Dowland tuning because they are > taken from the fret marks on the neck of different instruments. > @ Daniel Shoskes, I wonder with 1/6th comma tuning what is the reference > pitch as a tuning where the fundamental is G would result in different > pitches compared to a tuning based on A. Another thing, would all common keys > sound 'better' as you describe it, i.e. where are the limits as of keys? The > Dowland Coranto for instance which is basically in F minor contains C major > and Db major chords among others. > > Best wishes > Jurgen > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > “Close your eyes. Fall in love. Stay there.” > > Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > On Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:15 AM, Daniel Shoskes kidneykut...@gmail.com > wrote: > > > For my Renaissance lute I prefer 1/6 comma. Not too extreme if the keys > > stray but noticeably brighter than equal for most solo music. Even if you > > prefer equal, it’s handy to know how to get to 1/6 comma if you ever play > > in a mixed ensemble. > > If you have access to the latest LSA Quarterly, the “Lute Forum” section > > has a discussion on meantone temperament with contributions from Sylvan > > Bergeron and Lucas Harris. Lucas is of the opinion that tuning using a fret > > placement calculator is inferior to tuning by ear with an electronic tuner > > because fret calculators don’t take into account factors such as action > > that can alter the placement. > > If you have access to the archives, there is also a good article by Richard > > Kolb in the Spring 2009 edition. > > Danny > > > > > On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Tristan von Neumann > > > tristanvonneum...@gmx.de wrote: > > > I know this is a wide topic... > > > Today, I changed my fret setup from Gerle to Dowland (Thanks to Mr. > > > Niskanen and his marvellous calculator), because I mostly play later > > > 16th century music. > > > It sounds somewhat "brighter" in the keys preferred then. > > > Maybe I will also try what Galilei recommended. > > > Which one did you try and which one do you prefer (for solo playing). > > > What are your thoughts on character vs. versatility? > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
