Hi Martyn, thank you very much to inform me in matter.
The open question about this instrument is still today not totally solved. So, I am doing my job concerning the strings only around the instrument that was in use in Germany around 1740-90 with 6 course (Niggel types) or even more (for example Wenger models). I agree with you that a such instrument sould be quite loud and competitive to the 7 bass viol (there are some historical sources that mention this thing). The problem is all round the use of the overspan strings, but only those thatb employ silk in the cores (those with gut cores are less loud) But the first mention of silk cores (5 course guitars come form Guerrero (Spain 1760's) who wrote that in Spain they use wound silk wound strings because they are louder than the traditional wound strings with gut cores. Then there is Corrette that suggest the use of silk cores. At today the only mention od possible silk cores come form John Playford in 1664 but Both T Mace and Talbot do not mentioned them at all. Need more investigations Ciao Mimmo Da: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Inviato: sabato 23 novembre 2019 10:31 A: Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <mperu...@aquilacorde.com>; Lute List <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Oggetto: Fw: [LUTE] Calchedon strnging was Re: Mandora/Gallichon website Dear Mimmo, Sorry, in my earlier I gave the wrong year for the Edlinger calchedon: - it should be 1728 not 1729 (the latter is the year Edlinger died). The instrument is part of the collection in the Narodnì Museum, Prague. Here's a link to a Czech language magazine site with a pic. [1]https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved*hUKEwi4ydqF-__ lAhWu34UKHXUXBB0QjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhudebnirozhledy.scena.cz% 2Fwww%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3Dclanek%26id_clanku%3D2519&psig=AOvVaw3UC3UL_ IcQLJPxLR8YZdod&ust74585668331802 regards Martyn ----- Forwarded message ----- From: Martyn Hodgson <[2]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> To: Braig, Eugene <[3]brai...@osu.edu>; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <[6]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2019, 12:34:24 GMT Subject: [LUTE] Calchedon strnging was Re: Mandora/Gallichon website Hello Mimmo, By coincidence I've also been developing a paper on early gallichon stringing for some time now, but have made but poor progress - mainly due to lack of suitable iconography showing such details in enough detail to draw definitive conclusions. My own thesis is that the very earliest calchedons/gallichons, were developed in Bohemia and northern Austrian lands in the 1660s and made use of the newly invented overwound strings to give a robust bass down to contabass ,A ( ie almost as low as the theorbo lowest bass) and so produce an easily manageable instrument able to play chromatically in the lowest register. The Edlinger of 1729 is, I think, a particularly good example of the fully developed large continuo form of the instrument (though I think there may have been some modifications to the finial of the pegbox). This instrument is is mentioned in the recent FoMRHI paper (link below) as is also the possible relationships to the Italian instrument briefly touched on in my earlier. Much food for thought.... [1][7]https://www.fomrhi.org/vanilla/fomrhi/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-13 1/C omm%202037.pdf regards Martyn On Friday, 22 November 2019, 10:08:17 GMT, Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche <[8]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote: Hello, This si really a good idea. I have this contribute that, in my opinion, the best painting concerning Gallichon/Mandora (I am doing article in matter of a possible historical string setup) [2][9]https://www.hampel-auctions.com/online-catalog-fullscreen.html?a0 &s=-1&ch3 Mimmo Peruffo -----Messaggio originale----- Da: [3][10]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[4][11]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> Per conto di Braig, Eugene Inviato: giovedì 21 novembre 2019 19:32 A: [5][12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Mandora/Gallichon website I look forward to watching the site develop. Thank you, Rainer. Eugene -----Original Message----- From: [6][13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[7][14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2019 1:26 PM To: [8][15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Mandora/Gallichon website Dear Lute-List, I'm going to set up a website about the 18th century mandora/gallichon. This might be a place for general information about the instrument(s), its history, where it has been played, composers, and, and, and.....but also information about where to find a player, a lutemaker, and last but not least a download page for lots of pieces. Those who already know a bit about 18th century mandora music: don't be afraid! I'm not going to present hundreds of bad and boaring menuets there. Amongst all the manuscripts which I have (quite a lot, in copy of course) I've found many interesting pieces, technically not to much demanding, often with nice melodies, and sometimes music of high quality in baroque or gallant style. During the last years I've made a collection of my favorite pieces and suites, and I made readable copies of it with Fronimo. Probably other mandora players did the same. So why not putting together the whole mandora wisdom and repertoire and collect it in the web, downloadable for free and open to all. That's quite a lot of work of which I've already done a bit. Therefore I would like to ask the mandora players of amongst us (I know there are some....) to participate to this idea, and to contribute whatever might be of interest. You can have a look to this very basic website with just an index-page, a completely empty "about Mandora"-page and the impressum (which is obligatory in Germany). The web adress is: [16]www.gallichon.de But some buttons are already there, and so at least you can see which themes I have integrated until now. But that's just work in progress, and to be filled with real information soon. If you have any suggestion about what else should be there, if you have any material to share, don't hesitate to contact me. The website shall be in english and german. As you certainly have seen I'm not a native speaker. Any help in transforming my poor english into something closer to good english is welcome. Let's try it. Rainer -- ______________________ SEICENTO-Notenversand Rainer Luckhardt Holbeinstrasse 12 D-79312 Emmendingen Tel. ++49/(0)7641 - 932803 Internet: [17]www.seicentomusic.de VAT/UID-Nr. DE 142 047 317 To get on or off this list see list information at [9][18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [19]https://www.fomrhi.org/vanilla/fomrhi/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-131/ Comm 2037.pdf 2. 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[27]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved*hUKEwi4ydqF-__lAhWu34UKHXUXBB0QjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=http://hudebnirozhledy.scena.cz/www/index.php?page=clanek&id_clanku=2519&psig=AOvVaw3UC3UL_IcQLJPxLR8YZdod&ust74585668331802 2. mailto:hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com 7. https://www.fomrhi.org/vanilla/fomrhi/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-131/C 8. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com 9. https://www.hampel-auctions.com/online-catalog-fullscreen.html?a0 10. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 11. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 12. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 13. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 14. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 15. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 16. http://www.gallichon.de/ 17. http://www.seicentomusic.de/ 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19. https://www.fomrhi.org/vanilla/fomrhi/uploads/bulletins/Fomrhi-131/Comm 20. https://www.hampel-auctions.com/online-catalog-fullscreen.html?a0&s=-1&ch3 21. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 22. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 23. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 24. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 25. mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 26. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 27. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
