[email protected] writes:

> A complete new install from the net downloads something like 3 gig of
> packages, a figure I consider to be to high (I am being very
> provincial here :-)).

You must install a lot more crap than me :-)

Showing off time!  Here's what I downloaded:

    # du -sh /var/tmp/live/var/cache/apt/archives/
    70M     /var/tmp/live/var/cache/apt/archives/

And here's the finished product:

    # du -sch
    /var/tmp/live/boot/{vmlinuz-*,initrd.img-*,filesystem.squashfs}
    2.4M    /var/tmp/live/boot/vmlinuz-3.8-1-amd64
    8.1M    /var/tmp/live/boot/initrd.img-3.8-1-amd64
    40M     /var/tmp/live/boot/filesystem.squashfs
    50M     total

That's wheezy with the kernel cherry-picked from unstable, configured to
work as an appliance, like your ADSL modem.  And over 60% is the kernel;
with a localyesconfig kernel I get a total size of 23MiB.

A minimal install from debian-installer will be the cost of d-i and
udebs (up to about 120MiB) plus about another 100MiB or so for Essential
and Priority: standard packages.  These days I think you'll need to boot
with priority=low ("expert") or possibly pass desktop=none, or it will
default to installing the GNOME environment (which is rather big).

I'm nearly 100% sure you can pass desktop=lxde or xfce to get a smaller
default install that still has a GUI, though last time I measured that,
it was still over 1GiB unpacked...

Let's run some numbers (starting from the 70MB base install above)...

    (live)# apt-get install xorg task-xfce-desktop --no-install-recommends <<< 
no | grep -A1 Need.to.get
    Need to get 120 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 360 MB of additional disk space will be used.

    (live)# apt-get install xorg task-xfce-desktop --install-recommends <<< no 
| grep -A1 Need.to.get
    Need to get 609 MB of archives.
    After this operation, 1922 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Making a little table,

                        w/recommends    wo/recommends
                        dl/install      dl/install
    task-lxde-desktop   540/1666 MB     104/305 MB
    task-xfce-desktop   609/1922 MB     120/360 MB
    task-gnome-desktop  852/2584 MB     373/1120 MB
    task-kde-desktop    866/2478 MB     352/989 MB

A GUI base install in the worst case should be around 1GiB to download
and nearly 3GiB of desktop, by my reckoning.  I grant you that's still
pretty horrible, especially if you're intending to do >>1.

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