On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, James Harper <[email protected]> wrote:
> So you would:
> . snapshot source
> . rsync to snapshot to backup medium
> . snapshot backup medium
> 
> right?

That's what I do.

> I think I could do that too, if send/receive does turn out to be broken.
> The send is just so much faster it would be a shame not to stick with it.

Rsync is quite fast if you don't use the -c option and the average file size 
is reasonably large.

> Although if I was backing up to an external location where network
> bandwidth was my biggest constraint then the performance of rsync would be
> less of a problem.

That's a large part of my backup.  Another significant backup issue for me is 
some of my relatives who have 120G SSDs.  Rsync from a SSD is mostly limited 
by the seek time of the backup disk, and when it's only 120G of data I don't 
need it to be really fast to complete before I leave.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2014, "Peter Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Means: Make rsync work like btrfs send/receive;-) and put filesystem
> specific code in it.
> 
> I am not sure whether this is a great idea.

I think that modern filesystems are getting complex enough that backup tools 
just can't operate properly without FS specific code.

> Most of the time you will have the same filesystem on both ends. Then you
> can use zfs/btrfs etc. tools. Or rsync if it's not a COW system.

True, but that adds difficulty in migrating.  For example my Internode quota 
is now 250G (was 150G last month), but I'm doing a backup of >400G of data 
over the Internet.  AFAIK I couldn't change from using rsync backups to ZFS 
send/recv (even if I wanted to use ZFS at home) because I can't catch up with 
the backlog of data in any reasonable amount of time/money/effort.

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