>>>>> "Edwin" == Leuven, E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Edwin> atm this seems to sum it up on linux for the major distros:

Edwin>     * Arch Linux (4.1.4) * Debian Etch (testing) 4.1.3 (some
Edwin> 4.1.2) * Debian Sid (unstable) 4.1.3 * Fedora 4 4.1.4 * Fedora
Edwin> 5 4.1.4 * Red Hat 9 4.1.4 * Red Hat Ent 4 4.1.4 * SUSE 10.0
Edwin> 4.1.4 * SUSE 10.1 4.1.4 * Ubuntu Dapper 4.1.2

Edwin> and by the time all the unicode stuff is ironed out it will be
Edwin> 2007 anyway...

Probably.

>> The only thing that scares me is what is the _next_ thing that will
>> be on the chopping block. Ispell and gtk are a no-brainer; but
>> then? When heads begin to roll, the people demands more blood ;-)

Edwin> ah, vous êtes français !

Edwin> 1. profound suspicion of, and resistance to change 

I am perfectly aware that this is my case, but I refuse to cure it,
because I think some negative feedback is always useful in a control
loop. 

Edwin> 2. all change must happen through revolution

What bothers me is rather the following: for some weeks we had people
clamoring "what? we are in 2006 and we still have xforms? Do you know
all the things we could be doing if we did not have it? how can LyX
continue to live in this conditions?" and so on.

Then xforms got removed.

Then we had maybe one rejoicing message, but no patch leveraging this
huge freedom we've been giving to ourselves by removing this
abomination (Michael removed the xforms-only stuff, but that is the
least we could do).

And then the _next_ day (or even the same days), it was "what? we are
in 2006 and we still have qt3? Etc etc".

It is way too much posturing in my taste. I can tell you that in 10
years with LyX (yes I am this old) I have seen a pretty long list of
things we _have_ to do (switch to java?) to have the slightest chance
to go forward. I think there were at least 5 single _most_ important
problems with LyX in the last month alone.

This notion that change is always progress is pure bullshit. Having
the lyx core do something useful is more IMO important (but less sexy
admittedly) than this GUI obsession.

JMarc

PS: and it is not even friday yet!

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