On 20.04.16 16:51, John Robert Hudson wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 Apr 2016 15:35:24 mn wrote:

>> The current English tutorial.lyx in rc1 does not yield clean PDFs
>> on three levels:
>> 
>> 1. There are a few minor typographical problems – catched with
>> (builtin) chktex. En-dashes, footnote-spacing, excess space(~).
>> 
>> These are hopefully improved upon in the attached .lyx-file.
>> 
>> (From the existing I deduced that the desired behavior was to
>> conform to Bringhurst‘s guide: endash surrounded with spaces.)
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Then there are problems with lines running into the margin:
>> 
>> These are the following: occuring with default a4-papersize.
>> 
>> – Exercise: Fix the section and subsection headings in
>> example_raw.lyx.
>> 
>> – Exercise: Correctly typeset the Quote, LYX-Code, and Verse in 
>> example_raw.lyx
>> 
>> — If you want to know more about this document, then see Section .

> Thank you for your feedback but I wonder if you are over-estimating what we 
> are trying to do with the example. In the Tutorial 1.2.2, we say:
> 
> 1.2.2 What you will not find
> • Detailed explanations of all of LyX's features.
> Look in the User's Guide when you need this.
> • Detailed explanations of LaTeX.
> Unnecessary. If you want to learn some of the neat tricks you can do with 
> LaTeX in LyX, you can have a look at the Embedded Objects manual.
> 
> Many of the issues you raise are covered in the User's Guide and other 
> manuals.
> 
> Note that the Tutorial uses the standard Book document style whereas, in the 
> User's Guide and other manuals, we use the KOMA-Script Book document style so 
> that we do not introduce too many new ideas all at once in the Tutorial.

My current understanding is that maybe you mistook my issues for
something they were not intended to be? I offered a kind of proof-reading.

The issue I raised called “2.” points to a commmon problem in several
LyX-documentation-docs, not only tutorial(en):
Lines running into the margin.
This is really bad, both optically and as an example. Of course,
guessing that it is not meant as one of multiple examples of what can go
wrong, when you start using LaTeX/LyX!

So, to be clear: most of the shipping documents I looked at do not
produce clean PDFs when typeset unmodified from LyX.
The lines I quoted do run into the margin; quite severely.
Whether it's letter- or a4-size.
Is this intentional?

And also example-wise: whether it’s LaTeX or LyX, the end-user is still
responsible for the proper use of most microtypographic rules. Ignoring
these rules leads to inferior outcomes.
Incorrect usage of dashes, spaces and so forth. I do not believe that
any of these are really there to encourage users/readers to do the same.
If they are, that would be bad.

mn

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