On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Murat Yildizoglu <murat.yildizo...@u-bordeaux4.fr> wrote: > Hello, > > I was teaching today a course on (a little bit of LaTeX), (a lot of) LyX, > beamer etc. to our doctoral students, and I have somewhat lost them when I > showed they how I create a new frame in the new system. Am I doing something > too cumbersome, or this is the only way to do? > > To introduce a new Frame (imagine the first one, for example) > > - I type returns until I get on the left border of the page (so out of any > other environment), > > - than I choose the Frame layout from the layouts combo. > > -Lyx creates the Frame inset, and sometimes a box for the frame title (not > always), > > - then I get out of the title box, if any, using the right arrow, type > return to go to a new line, > > - insert a Separator layout > > -come back with the left arrow, > > -type return to go into the frame > > - type TAB to get into the environment > > - then LyX creates another Frame environment here (bizarre, no?) > > - I change the layout in something more useful (standard for a figure or > BeamerIncrementalItemize, etc.) > > - then at last I can fill my frame! > > That seems too many operations also to me (I do not feel them, because I > have KeyboardMaestro shortcuts for doing them), but I have seen that the > students became discouraged by this. > > Questions : > > 1/ is there a quicker way? > I stumbled onto the same issue when playing around with 2.1 beamer. I may be wrong, but I don't think there's a quicker way. And for what it's worth, I also found the whole process rather confusing and somewhat cumbersome. (Just to be sure check the official docs Help > Specific > Beamer, or wait for Juergen's input.) Personally I think that the 2.1 overhaul of Beamer support is absolutely awesome and very useful, and rids us of many limitations and compatibility issues that plagued Beamer in LyX <=2.0.x. But it is still rough around the edges, at least user-experience-wise.
I was wondering, though, if maybe we should consider using custom insets instead of styles (at least for the frames, as is done in the 'seminar' layout; check Examples > seminar.lyx and http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/5515 ). This should remove the frustrating experience of inserting a frame (that you describe above). And it should make a Beamer document much easier to read, much more intuitive for casual LyX users. Of course we would need to close several related bugs, like http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7877 and http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6825 , but nothing insurmountable as far as I can see. Regards, Liviu > 2/ If not, would not the environment we get after the TAB be something more > useful, like Standard, instead of another Frame? > > I am teaching bibTeX, zotero and knitR tomorrow morning, so if you have a > better way, I would be happy to tell it to them. > > Best regards, > > Murat > > > -- > Prof. Murat Yildizoglu > > Note: Please use the following address as such > > UNIVERSITE DE BORDEAUX > GREThA (UMR CNRS 5113) > MURAT YILDIZOGLU > 16 AVENUE LEON DUGUIT > CS 50057 > 33608 PESSAC CEDEX > FRANCE > > Bureau : E-331 > > mail: yildi-at-u-bordeaux4.fr > > web: yildizoglu.info -- Do you know how to read? http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader Do you know how to write? http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail