I have to disagree with you on a couple of points and agree with you on others. First of all, everybody is different in their usage patterns and a virtual keyboard might not be right for them. Some people are good touch typists and not wanting the extra delay of listening to the key before lifting one's finger or double tapping might be their preference. Me, I have a Bluetooth keyboard so I can type in a moving vehicle, to search for a gas station, restaurant, respond to a text message, etc. It doesn't mean that I don't use the virtual keyboard but choice is wonderful.

Actually you are wrong about the reasons for doing away with physical keyboards, Sure, the cost per device is greater because of the extra component, design, and manufacturing cost, but you are not taking into account demand. Producers would be foolish to not produce a product that the masses wanted. Nobody has to buy their product and unless there is no competition, then what you say has more credibility. As long as the niche is large enough to make a profit by filling, someone will. What a business looks at is how market share and profit per unit are the greatest in total. They will sacrifice either profit per unit or market share for the combined maximum. finally, speech isn't for everybody and they might benefit from other options. Some people can't speak clearly or not at all, in that case, a physical keyboard might benefit them. Code factory did create a product to benefit us. where they failed is in timely improvements to their product to keep it on the cutting edge. They struck deals with carriers and because they failed to update their products, they were surpassed. If windows makes narrator more robust and easier to use, Jaws and window eyes will disappear in favor of narrator, NVDA and System access. This is good becuase the cost for accessibility falls and that benefits us.




On 7/28/2013 7:24 AM, Paul McKee wrote:
Hi Guys
First of all sto say "hang in there", virtual keyboards, like anything else, get easier the more you use them. One of the best things I did as my sight began to fail was to learn to touch type and I still do that now, fairly quickly. When I was presented with a virtual screen initially I was rubbish and wanted to see the keypad that code factory had built for Nokia, the one where you tapped in zones almost like with old style texting )I think that was called T9). I flirted with full quwertyphysical keyboards on two different phones and I didn't get on well. When you're learning it's all about muscle memory and with a physical keyboard if you hit the wrong key you have to delete and try again. I found I would delete and then make the same mistake again and sometimes again! With a virtual keyboard if you hit the wrong key, you are told straight away and you simply slide your finger to the correct key, usually only one key away. I still type on a phone or tablet with one finger but a lot less errors. Three more points firstly I don't think the manufacturers are making touch screens or keyboards because of perceived demand. They continue with keyboards either they there is a niche market or because they are tooled up to do that. They make touch screeens because they are cheaper to make and assemble in volume and provide more real estate for advertising etc for the service providers. I know this is cynical but few phone makers are there to fulfill our wishees. Next point is that phones are increasingly geared towards speech, with Siri, Google voice and the upcoming Moto X all taking the general phone user towards speech. This will help us even more and bear in mind that the virtual keyboard has a speech button, not long ago we'd have to search for a little microphone icon, speech is becoming embedded. Finally, and on topic, code factory have always put us first and taken accessiblity forward in leaps. I paid a fair amount for MA because it was the first step into Android and it was safe, stable and familiar. However the competition and the mainstream phone access has cuught up or overtaken. They need to think of something innovative once more, it might even be the old tappy tappy keyboard or an easier interface to other Android apps. But let's not forget what they have done already with MA and hope they can come up with the next quantum leap. Perhaps we can guide them as to what would be ideal for us, would it be a physical keyboard, a better virtual keyboardor awesome speech input? Hang in there people and count your blessings on the fantastic improvements in the last five years or less, that have made us hungry for more.

Cheers
Paul



On 28/07/2013 05:40, Leslie Fairall wrote:
Correction on my part. I only described how to get into the virtual keyboard settings under Mobile Accessibility. To use the virtual keyboard, long press your volume up key. I really stink, but am trying to learn? Is landscape the best layout? Should I use the dynamic keyboard. I want to be able to use both before it's all over. Since my phone has Jellybean, I can take my time learning since my phone isn't going out-of-date anytime soon.


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