Thanks Brian, I'm very very familiar with the Renaissance project (as you know 
from other lists), but good to know work is stil ongoing.

Dónal
On 22 Jul 2011, at 11:41, Bryan Smart wrote:

> In Xcode 4, the process of editing application interfaces has been integrated 
> with the main Xcode application. Parts of the new process are more 
> accessible, but there are still large limitations.
> 
> Plus, even full accessibility wouldn't help a blind person come up with good 
> layout, sizing, font and color selections, etc.
> 
> No matter. You don't need Apple's dev tools to make a UI for your app. I 
> ported Renaissance from NextStep. You can use it to build your app's 
> interface from a description in an XML file. The XML file describes the types 
> of controls that should be in a window, along with their proportional and 
> logical relationships. Based on that info, controls are automatically 
> arranged and sized for you. If you don't like part of the automatic behavior, 
> you can include an attribute for one of the controls to force it to a 
> specific position, size, font, style, etc. Specify every detail, or describe 
> the basics and let layout happen automatically. It is a bit like WX Widgets, 
> but even more help for layout.
> 
> My last release was over 6 months ago. The current release works, but has 
> limited documentation. If you have a coding background, you should be able to 
> figure it out. If you're just starting out, then you'll be quite confused. 
> I'm working a bit on updating it with additional docs and examples when I 
> can, but the hobby portion of my coding life has recently been consumed with 
> some VoIP and scripting projects.
> 
> http://blog.bryansmart.com/2010/10/25/renaissancex-2010-02-28/
> 
> Bryan
> 
> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nick,
>> 
>> At this stage just your general impressions will do fine.  I'm presuming 
>> interface builder is still inaccessible?  Blind developers don't seem to be 
>> high on Apple's priority list.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 20 Jul 2011, at 23:35, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Dónal
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have played with it. What do you wish to know?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
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>>>> Anyone played with it yet?  I'm waiting to go to work to download it.  
>>>> It's about 3 gig.
>>>> Dónal Fitzpatrick
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