Yeah you bring up a good point. I don't have moder issues but I loose all feeling in both hands and to even try and type let alone use an iphone is not possibil so when I do upgrade I will be learning seri for when I cannot even hold the phone in my hand. or use my keyboard to type with like I'm doing now. On Oct 31, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Niamh wrote:
> Hi Chris and others, > I am very new to all this but I have had a thought. > A very few years ago I had my sight and fear I might have been a bit > intolerant towards blind and disabled people. > My point is that when the NFB threatened Apple with the law over > inaccessibility issues many sighted people were annoyed that it might hold up > the technology. > The Siri issue could be now seen in a wider context, I am sure that there are > many disabled people, not only blind people, who might find that Siri opens > the Iphone up to them, I am thinking of people with poor motor skills. > Just a thought not a criticism. > Thank you all for this list I find it very helpful. > Niamh > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris hallsworth" > <chris.hallswo...@techno-chat.net> > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net> > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: Seri - a query about its use > > >> Yes, I agree. I think if I use Siri I will forget the last six months of >> learning to use a touch screen. So not a waste of a feature but a waste of >> my time if I was to use Siri entirely. Just some thoughts and hopefully >> constructive criticism. >> >> On 30/10/2011 23:20, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I don't have Seri, so I'm writing from a non-user perspective. >>> >>> While Seri sounds cool, i am concerned that such reliance by some - not >>> necessarily on this list, but generally, will lead to a breakdown in other >>> skills. Typing for instance, particularly among Blind children. Again, >>> products like Seri are cool, but I think should be used with caution. >>> >>> Also, I'm hopeful that Apple will address any bugs that people are finding, >>> and while I'm not criticising anyone on list, I think we need to remember >>> that this is the first iteration in IOS 5. Things are hopefully going to >>> improve as time goes on. >>> >>> TC :) >>> james >>> On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> As useful and fun as I find Siri, Apple needs to address a few apparent >>>> bugs related to using Siri and voiceOver. >>>> >>>> The reader will observe that when voiceover is turned off: >>>> 1. Lift to speak is more reliable -- hardly perfect, but lots more >>>> consistent. >>>> >>>> 2. Siri begins listening automatically upon asking a follow-up question >>>> without need to press and hold home or double tap "listen". >>>> >>>> 3. Calls are completed much more quickly without having to first hear: You >>>> said: call Joe blow mobile. Calling Joe Blows mobile phone: 999-999-9999 >>>> ... long pause, and if you don't touch or jiggle anything the call finally >>>> is placed several seconds later. To illustrate what I mean, try toggling >>>> vo off before placing a call via Siri and observe an infinitely faster >>>> experience. >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Dane Trethowan >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Siri - is it me or is it you? >>>> >>>> >>>> I wish you'd make up your mind, one minute you're saying its too good to >>>> be true and the next your making an apology for saying that<smile>. >>>> >>>> I can only speak for Siri in Australia and the information I have states >>>> that any limitations on the system will be lifted in November, November >>>> has 30 days and we're not even into the month yet so we may have a while >>>> to wait. >>>> >>>> The system can't be that limited here, I've mentioned that I'm following >>>> a couple of people on Twitter in Australia who say that Siri has "Changed >>>> Their Lives", whether they're using "turn-by-turn" features of Siri I'm >>>> not sure but I'll make a point of asking them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:06 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hear it's limited here in the UK. I think this is why I said what I >>>>> said about Siri being too good to be true. It may work perfectly over in >>>>> the US and no doubt other countries, but I hear it is limited here in the >>>>> UK. >>>>> >>>>> On 30/10/2011 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>>> I've had an iPhone 4S for three days now. Getting Siri wasn't my >>>>>> reason for getting the phone, but I was looking forward to using it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say, I'm very underwhelmed so far. OK, I accept that the >>>>>> business search feature isn't available in the UK, but it also told me >>>>>> that turn-by-turn wasn't available either and there's a million GPS >>>>>> apps about, so the maps exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> also, I find that not all the conversation is read out and it took me >>>>>> a bit of time waiting like an idiot before I realised I had to press >>>>>> send to send a txt. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't find the method of activation of putting the phone to your ear >>>>>> very consistant and find that unless I gabble out a text, only half of >>>>>> it is heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it me? 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