Well, there is a way to close it and get to the options without closing Navigan and the the running of it slower and more slugfest than on the iphone4s is due to the fact that the iphone4s has a much better processer and other hardware. I use it on my iphone3gs and it runs just fine if I only run navigan and nothing else in the background. This is because nothing else is really using processer and memory other than normal phone operation and Vo. Yes accessibility is sort of in the beholder of the device or whatever! But for most there is a accessibility problem with navigon I use it just fine myself and really have no difficulty with it ! But I know of lots of other that is having terrible problems with it and accessibility ! I would say this is because of their ability to use technology and having a short fuse! But there is some accessibility problems. This is my thoughts and opinion and that only! Now they say to get to the options is to click on the speed dial on the device and it will bring up the options. I have not yet tried this as I have not had to use the options during the navigation and when I get to my destination I just hit the home key and then bring up the app switcher and close it out this is not hard at all an my preferred way. Yes you can do it your way you talked about and nothing wrong with that. I prefer the other way myself. Also there is unable graphic at the top left hand corner that looks like a window sort of my wife says and I can get to it with a few tries it don't say anything or really make any sound other than sort of a bonking sound and then you can double tap on it and it will bring up some options and one of them is to exit. But it is just easier to close the app totally out. Now since there is no easy way to get to options this does make a accessibility problem but nothing that cannot be worked around. But like I say this is my Opinion and my only. Other thinks like you but not many that there is no accessibility problems and the majority of the blind thinks it stinks and have reverted back to the old one if they still had it till the accessibility problems are fixed, while a few are like me and say there is accessibility problems but easily worked around. JMO !
Bubba bubbatheg...@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:10 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Bad-Elf Perception of accessibility is subjective, however, to reiterate my prior post on this topic, I believe that for those using an iPhone 4S, Navigon 2.0 is absolutely no less accessible than the previous version. While its true that its no longer possible to cancel a route or change the speed profile while navigating without closing the app (a situation that I presume is unique to voiceOver dependent users), the trade-off is that GPS data such as velocity and coordinates have been rendered more easily readable. Thanks to Sarah, I discovered that Navigon loads in less than half the time on my 4S than on her iPhone 4. Most likely related to the load time disparity is the fact that in rather extensive testing now, I've observed no voiceOver sluggishness whatsoever. Note that it is not necessary to remove Navigon (or any app for that matter) from the app switcher in order to close it. This can also be accomplished by holding down the power button until the shutdown dialog appears and then pressing and holding home until a little beep is emitted. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" <bubbatheg...@gmail.com> To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" <mac-access@mac-access.net> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Bad-Elf >I still use Navigant and the newest version it has some issue from > accessibility point but still very workable. Not as friendly as it used to > be but very workable. The biggest thing is I think is to just set up your > preface before you start your navigation and then you really don't need to > access them till you get to your destination and then all you need to do > is > close the app all the way out even out of the app switcher. HTH and JMT > > > Bubba > bubbatheg...@gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:19 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Bad-Elf > > Oh never mind. Waze is not one of those. Sorry about that. but hopefully > someone one else will like the app. > > good luck with using your gps cradel. > On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Thanks so much Sarah! I don't remember seeing that one on the list, but > I'll definitely check again. It has to be an App that stores its maps on > the device, and doesn't rely on WiFi. >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I am, and i use it. I hear they are aware of the vo sluggishness but >>> all > in all it is quite usable. If you double tap the speed limit thing you get > the options and stuff while you are navigating. but I would try waze if it > is on that list of apps. >>> >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Dec 4, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sarah, >>>> >>>> Are you updated to the latest version of Navigon? That's the one I > heard people were having problems with. >>>> >>>> Desi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> Navigon is accessibil. You just have to work around some issues. It > take ssome getting used to and I use it every day for my travels. >>>>> >>>>> Take care. >>>>> On Dec 4, 2011, at 6:55 AM, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is anyone out there using the Bad-Elf GPS accessory with the iPod > Touch? It needs to use a GPS App and I'm not sure which one will be the > most accessible with VoiceOver. I had originally thought I would use > Navigon, but I have heard that the latest version isn't very accessible, > and > I don't want to spend the money for it if it isn't going to work! Any > help > with this would be most appreciated! 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