I am afraid that the inability to enter text into edit boxes with quick nav
turned on is in my experience more common  than not.
Examples I have just checked where it does not work include the search edit
box on the BBC news page, the search box on ebay.co.uk, the search Edit
boxes  on the UK Sainsbury shopping site  and the Nat West Banking site
login edit boxes. I stopped checking after looking at these sites but I know
there are loads of others.

I guess that interacting and uninteracting out of edit boxes is a
possibility but then turning quick nav on and off is probably quicker than
that anyway as pushing down the left and right arrow together is a
relatively easy keystroke, rather than the more complicated shift VO down
arrow and shift vo up arrow.

The odd thing is that sometimes it all works fine. From memory the Tesco
shopping site allows you to login fine with quick nav on.

David Griffith


-----Original Message-----
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: 29 May 2012 20:27
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: same item

Really? I dont' notice anything like that.  I was able to bring up all edit
boxes and stuff when I've played with it over the past few months.
On May 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, David Griffith wrote:

> I may do so but am probably too late for the Mountain Lion release. The
> confusing thing is that some edit boxes work fine under quick nav, for
> example the google search edit  box you can bring up in Safari with
command
> option F works fine. But in general usage on other web site you are locked
> out of editable text areas unless you turn off Quick Nav.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: 29 May 2012 18:32
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: same item
> 
> david i'ms ure if coughs here, windows can do it with their screenreader,
> suggest it to apple?
> 
> On 29 May 2012, at 17:39, David Griffith wrote:
> 
>> Also in Lion you can enable single letter navigation under Quick Nav
>> settings.
>> So traditional screen reader shortcuts will work on the Mac for browsers.
> H
>> for next heading, F for next form field, N for next item, b for next
> button
>> and so on.
>> I personally find this much easier than using the rota set to listing
> under
>> a single element type such as headers or links.  nevertheless if you do
> move
>> the rota to say heading then simply pressing the down arrow under quick
> nav
>> will jump you to the next element anyway.
>> 
>> The only inconvenience is that often you need to turn quick nav off in
> order
>> to enter text in an edit field. I wish Apple would make Voiceover
>> intelligent enough to recognise that whilst in an edit field you need
>> control of the keyboard for typing purposes rather than having to turn
> quick
>> nav on and off as you encounter edit boxes.
>> 
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
>> Sent: 29 May 2012 17:24
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: same item
>> 
>> There is a keystroke for this. it's vo cmd shift m.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On May 29, 2012, at 4:29 AM, william lomas wrote:
>> 
>>>     hi all as in ios can we ont he mac  use the rotor to jump to a same
>> item element?
>>> for example if i am at heading level 1 on the IPad i can flick down when
>> same item is selected, and find the next heading level 1, this i think
> would
>> be useful on the mac, too
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