wouldn't that be a simple matter of holding option key while booting, and
then, knowing the order of bootable icons, arrowing to the USB stick and
pressing enter?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Gregory" <joshkar...@gmail.com>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo
Interesting analogy… I suppose so if you can find a way to get to the USB
drive when you're turning on the mac.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 5, 2013, at 4:55 PM, "Phil Halton" <philh...@comcast.net> wrote:
couldn't a USB thumb drive with ML installer be used to reinstall the OS?
I have a USB installer thumbdrive that I made with Lion disk maker. i
used it to reinstall ml a few months back-worked great-went smooth as
warm milk through a puppy!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marri...@gmail.com>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo
That's what i mean. What if you are on the rode traveling for a gig, you
don't have a time machine drive, you have no bootable partition from
which to run the machine and you or something else hosed your whole
drive. Then and only then i think does that question mark come up. Not
sure if the recovery disk that you should make upon every single update
of ml would work but it would be worth a try.
Take care all.
On Mar 5, 2013, at 2:05 AM, Will <will.d.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
if i format the drive completely can i just recover the whole OS if i
needed to from a time machine
On 4 Mar 2013, at 16:58, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
and what if the user is out and about and does not have a time machine
back up? I don't think the mobil back ups work when not connected. and
this is with the recovery partition blown up btw. not with the recovery
partition working, I think. someone correct me? as I've never had that
issue.
On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Will <will.d.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
when i formatted macbook air mountain linen just downloaded. can i
though instead of doing all that, just use a time machine backup
On 1 Mar 2013, at 21:38, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I would like to know the same in case I ever find my mac in that
state where I can't even get to the recovery consul. Is that what you
all are hinting that is if you sone how blow your recovery partition
and the ml partitions you get that question mark and there's not a
thing you can do as a blind person to solve it?
Take care.
On Mar 1, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:
What would be the senareo where I'd get what you all're talking
about being accessible, maybe I dont' get it either, but I always
thought the recovery was accessible.
Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and
holidays.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory"
<joshkar...@gmail.com>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:35
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo
right… When I had the flashing ? I couldn't do a thing with it I
had to take it in. And I think they said that that part is not
accessible but they were going to work on it or something.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net>
wrote:
Agreed, I've never had that happen. GOod to know it isn't
accessible. THough one would think the recovery partition would
still be, as anything you do to the main one shouldn't impact it.
On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Oh that I have never had happen. Hmm. so you are saying that part
is *not* accessible to us? like if you accidentally reformat your
partision where ml is supposed to be?
Take care.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Josh Gregory <joshkar...@gmail.com>
wrote:
No… We mean when you have to download a copy of mountain lion
off-line when it Cant find an operating system. You know, when
the flashing question mark comes up on the screen.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Zachary Kline
<zkl...@speedpost.net> wrote:
Wifi is accessible under Mountain Lion.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Josh Gregory
<joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well it should be… It looks like people are going to need to
start campaigning to Apple accessibility.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami
<marri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a
flash drive as even with my 15 mbp connection, it will still
be slow to download the mountain lion thingy.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory
<joshkar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that.
That way if I or any other person that can't see had to go
into this mode, they had a way to do it without sighted
assistance. Thanks very much! Oh, it would also be nice if
there were a way to do an Internet install of OS X without
sighted help to…
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:
You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to
manually enable the audio service. there just has! to be.
That would be silly not. Let me do some digging around,
and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and get
it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there
should be. It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it
shouldn't be anything bad at all.
Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and
holidays.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory"
<joshkar...@gmail.com>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility"
<mac-access@mac-access.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover
I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is
enabled, OS 10 only uses what it needs to boot up, and
does not boot up any sound drivers or anything like that.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas
<will.d.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get
in to safe mode yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not
being able to partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to
perform partitioning i worry in case i may in future
possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition
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