I can't tell you when Macs began shipping with a compact version of Daniel 
installed, but this one did, it's the latest MacBook Air, only released about 4 
weeks ago -

Andy
On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:03, Chris Gilland <ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:

> Hmm, since when did the mac come with Daniel?  I was under the impression 
> that had to be installed/downloaded separetly?  Granted, it's definitely free 
> to do so, but I was unaware.  I know about Alex and Fred, but, yeah...
> 
> Chris.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Collins" <a...@recreation.plus.com>
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> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:49 AM
> Subject: Where have all my voices gone?
> 
> 
>> Carol - Did you download any of the extra voices? The Mac comes with Alex 
>> and Daniel by default, but you can download other voices by doing VO F8 For 
>> Voice Over utility, go down to Speech, and arrow right to voices. The 
>> selected one with be listed with a pop up button, if you click that button, 
>> you'll see all the other voices available. You can preview them, but need to 
>> actually download them if you want to use them. They are free if you fancy 
>> giving any of them a go. By the way, Do you  have the full version of Daniel 
>> installed, or are you running the rather poor compact version?
>> 
>> Sorry if this is all old stuff and doesn't answer your question, because if 
>> you have already downloaded extra voices, and you can no longer see them 
>> when you arrow right when holding down VO and Command, I'm stumped too as to 
>> where they've gone! -
>> 
>> Andy
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