Maybe it was just my mac mini being stupid.  Who knows.  I just tried updating 
from the GM to the full release, and once it downloaded, and then I restarted 
the first time, it just kind a sat there and decided to be a looks, and do 
nothing.  Finally, I hit the power switch and manually restarted.  So far, that 
doesn’t seem to have any ill effect.

Chris.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> I don't remember that one.:-) but yeah, the point still stands, wait a little 
> bit.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> <ch...@clgproductions.com> wrote:
> 
>> I guess now that we're no longer on NDA, I will say I agree with Zack.  I 
>> too, found that the testing cycle was not exactly the smoothest.  As I 
>> recall, there was even  one seed, I wanna say #3 if I remember correctly, 
>> that was so broken, it didn't even boot.
>> 
>> Anyway... yeah.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> Visit my Audioboo page for freely available music which I have recorded.
>> 
>> http://www.audioboo.fm/chrisgilland
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zachary Kline" <zkl...@speedpost.net>
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" <mac-access@mac-access.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I am, And have been for several months. The testing process has not 
>>> been as smooth as in past releases, but I trust that things will eventually 
>>> settle down. I just thought I should get the note out there, before some 
>>> people upgraded and started panicking when iBooks didn't work as well as it 
>>> could. :-)
>>> All the best,
>>> Zack.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:36 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> thanks zack,
>>>> are you using the new update?
>>>>> On 23/10/2013, at 7:25 AM, Zachary Kline <zkl...@speedpost.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>> A few, but nothing huge. I’m more curious to see what happens with the 
>>>>> new iWork apps, in which I suspect many of our accessibility issues have 
>>>>> been addressed.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Zack.
>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are there any new voiceover features?
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
>>>>>>> it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
>>>>>>> :) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
>>>>>>> to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
>>>>>>> unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
>>>>>>> While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
>>>>>>> they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
>>>>>>> suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
>>>>>>> system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
>>>>>>> is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
>>>>>>> will be improved in the coming weeks.
>>>>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>>>>> Zack.
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