It’s a bit too complex and time-consuming for me to explain. It’s not that it is complex, its just complex when you try to put it into words. Sorry, sometimes you just have to use your own mind and think for yourself. The rewards are greater that way. and how would one develop analytic skills if one didn’t try now and then, and not wait for another to give them the answers they feel they are entitled to? Sorry if this seems harsh, I guess I just don’t like being taken to task for trying to be helpful. good luck,
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Phil, > I am not the original person who posted this question. But it seems to me, > that if you have found a system that helps somebody make sense of the Mac > keyboard commands and how they are structured, it would be way, way more > helpful if you would simply explain the system, which might help other people > including me, rather than telling them to see if they can figure it out for > themselves. This is not a fifth-grade classroom. It is a list where we try to > help each other. Not everybody has the sort of analytical mind which will > help them figure out this system. So, I would really love it if you could > actually post what you have figured out, and see if if it is helpful. Thank > you so much. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:42 AM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Ann, >> The VoiceOver getting started manual, accessible through the VoiceOver help >> menu (VO+H, contains an appendix of all voice over commands and gestures. >> The manual is an excellent resource, covering every aspect of VoiceOver in >> an exhaustive manner. When I got my first mac I spent a lot of time browsing >> through that manual and especially the commands appendix (appendix A). >> There’s a systematic design to the keyboard command structure — see if you >> can discover it. >> Finally, after reading through the manual, the built-in keyboard help (VO+K) >> can act as a quick reference for recalling commands. >> >> >>> On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>> I am looking for two complete lists of keystrokes: One for VoiceOver with >>> Yosemite and one for Yosemite itself. I have been to >>> apple.com/accessibility and not found either, but I am probably a poor >>> searcher. Please can someone give me directions??, or perhaps direct links? >>> >>> Much thanks, >>> >>> Ann >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access@mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >>> at the list's public Mail Archive: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/>. >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml> >>> >>> As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we always strive to ensure that >>> the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and >>> worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security >>> strategy. 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