on 2/17/03 3:30 PM, (Mac Canada) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>> From: Mac Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>>> Opening up a new browser window in IE LOADS THE SAME PAGE THAT YOU ALREADY
>>> HAVE OPEN AND TOPMOST! WHEN would you EVER need that?! You open a new
>>> browser window to GO TO ANOTHER PAGE; NOT THE ONE YOU JUST PLACED IN THE
>>> BACKGROUND VIA THE CREATION OF A NEW WINDOW! Ridiculous. IE's favorites
>> 
>> <chuckle>
>> 
>> Someone may have pointed this out already somewhere in the thread, Safari is
>> the only Mac browser that *also* can do this; even IE does not nor cannot do
>> this.
> 
> I don't get your point.

I was just pointing out that Apple seems to consider this a valuable feature
as it has built it into Safari (or, at the very least, not removed it)!

> And no Mac browser I have used-and I've used them
> all-does this.

I guess you haven't used Safari then ;P <wink wink wink> Seriously though,
it's an option in Safari (haven't seen it in other Mac apps).

> on both platforms. Remember, I was referring to just opening a new BLANK
> browser window and typing in a NEW URL, or accessing a bookmark. When you do
> this in Windows (CNTRL+N), the new window opens with the content of the old
> window. ICK!!

I'm fairly sure you can turn this off in IE 5.x/6.x on Winblows if you don't
like it (as per open home page/blank/whatever when creating new window).

> Plus, even on a 2GHz P4, creating a new window or document is
> a stilted, part-by-part process.

You might want to trouble-shoot that 2 GHz machine b/c on a P166 Win 95 IE
5.5 it opens up complex pages (ctrl-N) as fast as Chimera Navigator in OS X
10.2.3 on a 450 MHz G3 (unfortunately I have to admit that IE 5.5 is still
one of the slickest and fastest browsers out there... a P166 performs only
slightly worse than my G3/400 and G3/450 running OS X... a 7600/132 can't
even hold a candle to browsing on the 166 (comparable machines
horsepower-wise).

But, yes, I do agree that Winblows does a poor job of drawing new windows --
you can really see that in Virtual PC where sometimes things are slowed down
enough that you can see it.

> But, I want tabbed browsing in Safari.

Me too, me too, me too, that's why I don't use Safari (not to mention I
still don't trust its (12-Feb build) stability... both times I've had kernel
panics in OS X 10.2.4 Safari has been open (maybe it wasn't 10.2.4 that was
causing my problems after all... no way to tell, Safari was promptly deleted
after those two kernel panics... PS I'm now on a Pismo/400 :) :) :) :)

That said, Safari seems like a _hot_ new browser. When the stability issue
gets settled for me, and they incorporate tabbed browsing it may just
displace Chimera (of course, Chimera is getting to be quite stable... it may
just be the most stable browser on my computer now... haven't used IE on
this computer (which I've had for a week and a half now) except to access a
web page that wouldn't load in either Safari or Chimera).

> Until then, I use Shift+Command+click to open a link in a new window in THE
> BACKGROUND (crucial for my lining up a wad of articles at macsurfer.com).

I don't have to do that anymore :)... have all new web pages (command-click)
open in a new tab, behind the current window :)... that's what Chimera
Navigator is great for (plus, Navigator displays web pages quite a bit
earlier on dial-up than Safari... on high speed I think Safari is subtly
faster... both leave IE sitting in the dust now... unfortunately very little
has happened on the iCab front. It still does a great job at what it's good
at since it's AppleScriptable but otherwise it's losing out to the
competition).

> I was wondering if there is a key command to open a link in a new window
> within IE for Windows.

I've never searched very hard but I don't think there is :(... of course,
this is Winblows so who cares ;)

> You know, Windows guys who diss Macs for the one button mouse seem to
> happily ignore the fact that TEN FINGERS are BETTER than one cursor.

But two buttons is better than one, and four buttons even better than two...
of course, it took me 14 years of one-button life before I got hooked on my
four button Turbo Mouse (and it took me 6 years to fall in love with the
Turbo Mouse... I was first introduced to it in 1992 at a friend's place but
didn't get one of my own until 1998... now I can't imagine life without it
and am suffering serious withdrawals without it (Pismo is USB and my Turbo
Mouse is ADB)). And, it's only been a year since I also got hooked on the
two button + scroll wheel mouse (kind of funny that I had to go through the
four-button model before I saw the power of the two-button + scroll wheel
model).

Yes, for 70%+ of users I think the two-button model is inefficient and
confusing. Again, ironically, I think it's Mac users that can make the best
use of two mice buttons.

L8r, Eric.

Time to get back to cursing at the track pad (which is why I have a number
of two-button + scroll wheel mice lying around wherever I generally use my
laptop (& I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my Turbo Mouse 5.0
ADB -- do I sell it and buy the USB TurboMouse Pro, or do I spend a lot less
on a used iMate ADB->USB)).


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