Marta, Welcome back! Have missed you and your wonderful E-mails. I like the new "fellowines" word you created... I'll wait for it to make the dictionaries soon.
Mike On Friday, August 13, 2004, at 01:46 PM, Marta Edie wrote: > Fri Aug 13, 2004 1:46:19 PM US/Eastern > To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu > Subject: Re: MacGroup: On to Greener Pastures > Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu > > Dear Kay, > my last comment, since I was out of the country, but, while not > getting involved in writing, I nevertheless kept reading your vicious > and totally beyond the subject matter comments. I remember very well > the attack towards me, then towards Hen and Ward, then Cathy, and > even toward Lee who no more than sent you a humourous comment. I am > glad you realized that it would be of your and our benefit that you > withdraw from the group, which you invaded like Donner and Blitzen, > read us all the riot act, offered your innumerable and mysterious > credentials which would fill three or more lifetimes of work of any > individual, scared the innocent Macuser out of his or her (in the last > case a new user group member, Cathy) wits, kept the attacks going > toward different individuals off list, and if anybody at Apple asked > you to get more involved with local groups - may God forgive that > person. You brought no enlightenment, only disharmony. So for our > harmony's sake, I bid you farewell, I shall never answer another of > your postings, nor will I read them, but "delete" or better even "cut" > will be my click to safety and sanity. Perhaps some of my Mac-comrades > will do the same. I love this group. It has taught me all I know about > the Mac. I owe this knowledge to the selflessness of its members, and > their encouragement. The many wonderful discoveries I was able to > make, and the humour with which some of the postings were spiced, all > of them I cherished and drew joy from them, new knowlege, and, yes, > even grew in wisdom. Thanks to all you good fellows and fellowines ( I > just coined this new word- no- it does not rhyme with "wine", but with > "ween" and some day might even make the New Oxford dictionary! and > boost my credentials!) You are great!- And now - let's get on with the > real stuff we are about. Thanks, > Marta > On Aug 6, 2004, at 11:23, KR'sListMail wrote: > >> Dear Group, >> This is a letter below, is one I sent in response to group member >> here on this list, that has been very supportive to me the past few >> weeks. Rather than, rewrite another letter to this group, I decided >> this one, was just as good to post here to you all too. >> If any of you would like to write to me, and be part of my future >> plans, (and see my presentations of the Apple beta software and >> graphic software) please contact me directly, by my email address. I >> am very sorry about the situation here on this list, and I feel it is >> time now to go on to greener pastures. Take care and goodbye. Yours >> Kay >> ............................. >> >> Hi, >> >> I am leaving this list soon. I am getting over my cold, and have had >> a chance to clear my head today. I've been thinking this morning >> about this weird mac group. >> >> The thing is, I don't need this kind of silly list flamewars, and BS >> in my life. I have so much to do right now, and plus my classes are >> starting soon. My reason for being here- I have to be frank with you >> about one thing. Last spring- It is a Apple Rep that asked me to be >> more active with the local Apple Group here. He knew I have been >> Officer at several other groups and wanted me to show some of the >> beta testing I was doing, etc. I gritted my teeth when they asked. >> But then I thought, oh well maybe this group has changed. >> >> The issue is, that other groups in cities of this size have grown. >> Some have even have 2 or more groups. This one hasn't gained any >> members in 15 years. Apple wants to know--Why? >> >> I quit coming to this group, years ago, when Randy started the Art >> Software's group. This group, sort of died then, but came back a bit, >> after Randy stopped doing the group. Now, It has gotten worse, than >> when I left-- It is so inbred and boring. I really don't see how they >> have kept their legal status as a non-profit, Apple group. They are >> not following the rules that Apple groups are supposed to follow. >> They collect dues, but where does the money go? There is no Board, >> there are no Officers, there is no voting on the leaders. No >> Treasurer's report. No group representation sent to Apple MacWorld, >> to attend the big user group meeting there. No outreach to new >> members. These are all the things that are supposed to be done in an >> "Official Apple Group". I would serve on the Board on this one, to >> help out, and get things in line, but there is no board! I asked >> Harry about that issue, in June. He said they have no Board and no >> voting. >> >> So now, it is time to take some stock in the situation. After 4 >> months on this list, I don't even need to attend a meeting to find >> out what is going on here. I get the jest of it! Just a bunch of >> educational guys, pocketing the software and goodies Apple sends them >> for the group--it serves their needs with the minimal amount of >> effort. >> >> But, with Wards unreal email and then, Lees comment yesterday? That >> was the last straw for me. To suggest I would send him a virus, was a >> VERY nasty thing to say, and very surprising, for a college professor >> to state such an awful claim about a professional business person, >> who has a reputation to uphold. I don't need to have people like that >> ruining my reputation, just to help Apple out. And this list has done >> alot to ruin my reputation, because of his reluctancy to do his job. >> On this list now, I am seen as some sort of ocre, some sort of mean >> bitch. It started with that lady Marta, with all her false claims- >> and it hasn't let up on me since. >> >> You see, those are the kinds of things going on here, these kind of >> issues, that are not allowed at a real Apple group. Real groups don't >> allow discussions about illegal copying, and tools to do so. Real >> groups don't allow new users drilling everyone with personal computer >> problems every other day and drive people away who get tired of >> answering her. These kind of people, at other groups are told that is >> not what the group is for, to burn out their consultants, with free >> help. But that is not what is happening here. This group is really >> out in left field. But here you see, WHY. The leaders are not doing >> their job-in fact they are adding to the problem. >> >> So I am out. I think it would be easier to make a new group that to >> try to fix this one. >> >> I have been to the PC group in April. (One of my attorneys is >> actually the volunteer council with that group also, so they keep >> things professional there.) Maybe I can start a Sig there that deals >> with cross platform users, that uses Microsoft's VPC, and PDA >> devices. The kind of stuff I am really interested in. >> >> I didn't want to do this, because in a way I felt sorry for Lee, and >> Tom (who I never hear from on this list, is such a nice guy). But >> after his nasty ass comment yesterday? No more. >> >> The most comforting part about this whole thing, is the others from >> the list that have written, afraid to speak up. Boy have I heard >> stories, you wouldn't believe! >> >> Anyway, I am going to wait until things cool off here, maybe make a >> final post (I want to talk to my Apple rep first) >> and then ease out the back door... >> >> Thanks for supporting me along the path the past few months. I really >> appreciate how kind you have been. >> >> All the Best, >> Yours, >> Kay >> >> | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be August 24. The LCS Web page is <http://www.kymac.org>. | List posting address: <mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu> | List Web page: <http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup>
