Harry,

Glad you found the problem….but…I know nothin about nothin, you’ve heard of the 
blind squirrel and the acorn….

Also glad to hear of the Tech Restore treatment…I’ll want to avail myself of 
their services…

John


> On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <harr...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I took the mac in to Tech Restore (thought I would give them a try) and after 
> 3 days of running the machine with lots of apps going they could not find 
> anything wrong. Since they didn’t have to open up the iMac, they didn’t 
> charge me anything. I brought the computer home and plugged it in and it 
> started shutting itself off or rebooting again. So I turned it off and 
> plugged it in to another outlet and lo and behold, the problem went away. 
> John was right.
> 
> I’ve called my electrician but he’s out of town. He’s going to be upgrading 
> my service in a couple of weeks so I’m going to wait to do anything about the 
> outlet/circuit breaker.
> 
> In the meantime I’ve run an extension cord across the room, plugged it in to 
> a surge protector and have my mac and peripherals plugged into the surge 
> protector.
> 
> Everything seems to be working well.
> 
> Thanks John.
> 
> Harry
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <harr...@me.com 
>> <mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. I’ll give it a shot.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2017, at 10:51 AM, John Robinson <profilecoven...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Harry,
>>> 
>>> One final thing I forgot at 12:30 this morning is to run TechTools Pro over 
>>> your Mac…I understand Tech Tools also has Directory Rebuilding but I’ve 
>>> never used that portion of their program since DiskWarrior has done so well.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 11:57 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <harr...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> The computer is plugged into a surge protector / power strip.
>>>> 
>>>> Any clue on how I would determine if it is the power strip or the 
>>>> computer?? I can rule out the power strip by plugging it directly into an 
>>>> outlet, a different one than the powerstrip is currently plugged into.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll give that a try.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW the computer restarted sometime in the last couple of hours.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 10:07 PM, John Robinson <profilecoven...@icloud.com 
>>>>> <mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Harry, could you have a flaky outlet, or if in a power strip that is 
>>>>> going bad….possibly the power supply inside the Mac is going bad…don’t 
>>>>> know if the computer backup internal battery going bad could be causing 
>>>>> this..
>>>>> 
>>>>> You may well have a hardware problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 9:54 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <harr...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I update everytime an update becomes available.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My iPhone was upgraded to 11 on its own last week when I was in Europe. 
>>>>>> I was going to make the upgrade this week when I got home, but I didn’t 
>>>>>> have a choice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was at a meeting this evening and when I came home the computer had 
>>>>>> shut it self off. This afternoon it just restarted on its own and this 
>>>>>> evening it shut itself off. What’s going on???? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 7:52 PM, John Robinson <profilecoven...@icloud.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:profilecoven...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some critical upgrades Apple will force installation which can lead to 
>>>>>>> a restart?????    There was a large vulnerability not long ago where 
>>>>>>> they did my upgrade without asking.....Here is a headline:          
>>>>>>> Apple updates Macs for first time without asking -- to foil hackers
>>>>>>> Apple is pushing out its first automatic security update to protect 
>>>>>>> your computer from being taken over.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Ed Wiser <wisero...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:wisero...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Something is not right. Have you upgraded to high Sierra?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer <harr...@me.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My iMac just restarted itself with no prompting from me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Should I be worried????
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