Right. Not that Youtube is all that accessible either. Or is it? I never 
really tried since I assumed the flash player would make it inaccessible 
to voiceover.

CB

James & Nash wrote:
> If you do this though does it mean that Youtube is no longer 
> accessible? I like ot listen to songs on there.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Chris Blouch <mailto:cblo...@aol.com>
>     *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>     <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:00 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: Apple ships known vulnerable version of Flash with
>     Snow Leopard
>
>     To remove flash from Safari you can just delete the plugin which
>     is under
>
>     /Library/Internet Plug-Ins
>
>     Mine was called Flash Player.plugin
>
>     CB
>
>     Chris Hofstader wrote:
>>     I am largely ignorant of all but the most obvious non-VoiceOver  
>>     settings in Safari.  I would guess that, like IE and Firefox,, it  
>>     would have a "turn off Flash" in it.  A whole lot of sighted people  
>>     turn off Flash, especially if they have a fairly slow connection and  
>>     because, the majority of Flash content are stupid advertisements with  
>>     animation and other glitz.
>>
>>     Can one uninstall Flash from a Mac and, if so, what happens?  With IE  
>>     and FF, one gets a dialogue asking if you want to install the Flash  
>>     plug-in or not and has a stop asking me about this box to check.
>>
>>     It would probably be best if Safari had a way to turn Flash on and off  
>>     so we could enjoy that handful of accessible sites but not waste the  
>>     cycles on ads for a new Lexus with 0% financing.
>>
>>     As I wrote last week, Flash, Flex and a variety of other Flash related  
>>     items have three major areas that keep them inaccessible for Mac users  
>>     in specific and screen reader users in general.  On the Mac, we have  
>>     the double wammy of Flash not talking to the accessibility API  
>>     properly (if at all) and the issues that all screen reader users face.
>>
>>     As an odd bit of history, GW Micro was the first At company to work  
>>     with Adobe to make Flash accessible with a screen reader using an MSAA  
>>     solution.  We, at Freedom Scientific, followed suit as once Window- 
>>     Eyes came out with support for it our phones started ringing off of  
>>     the hook asking when we would have it in JAWS.  So, the customers  
>>     wanted Flash and we gave it to them.
>>
>>     In the following release of Window-Eyes, one of its new features was a  
>>     checkbox to turn off Flash support and it was on by default.  In kind,  
>>     we added such a setting so our users could keep Flash from wasting  
>>     their time as well.
>>
>>     To this day, years after JAWS and WE added Flash support, the vast  
>>     majority of Flash content authors ignore the accessibility components  
>>     (like labeling stuff) so, in JAWS for instance, one will often hear,  
>>     "Start FLash, 1, 2, 3, 4, end Flash content."  This is, of course,  
>>     useless but, if one has Flash turned on, it will make browsing the  
>>     page go much more slowly as whatever is happening in the Flash  
>>     segment, it is using cycles, bandwidth or both.
>>
>>     All of this makes me quite sad as I have some pretty good friends  
>>     working on accessibility at Adobe and, as it comes to content, they  
>>     are more frustrated than most users (of which there are some on the  
>>     Adobe team).  I honestly believe that Adobe wants to do the right  
>>     thing but there are so many hurdles (large and small) on all platforms  
>>     that organizing a single accessibility solution with a custom layer  
>>     for each OS, becomes an enormous challenge.
>>
>>     I am not paid a dime by Adobe and I never have been.  I just think  
>>     they have an enormous problem that is very hard to solve.
>>
>>     Milligrams of caffeine per hour ratio is dangerously low, must get  
>>     more to get through my email.
>>
>>     Enjoy,
>>     cdh
>>
>>
>>       somewhere.
>>     On Sep 2, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>
>>       
>>>     Flash may be inaccessible for voiceover but it is still downloading  
>>>     and
>>>     running stuff on your mac, so you might want to upgrade.
>>>
>>>     
>>> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2009/09/02/apple-ships-vulnerable-version-flash-snow-leopard/
>>>
>>>     CB
>>>
>>>         
>>
>>
>>
>>       
>
>
>     >

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