Hi esther. Thanks so much for taking your time to answer my questions since they are off topic for this list. Your answers are very helpful. I've now joined the Viphone list again so I won't ask any Iphone questions here anmore. I'm really sorry for this... Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Esther wrote: > > Hi Søren, > > You wrote: > >> >> I'm on the Viphone list I think it's called. I haven't unsubscribed >> myself, but I might have ben unsubscribed for some reason. >> What's the address to the list and how do I subscribe to it again? > > At one point I think you could simply send a message to subscribe, but > this got changed and you now have to go to the Viphone web page and > request an invitation according to an earlier post from Cara: > > <begin quote> > > Actually anyone whom would like to sub to the list will need to > request an invite from the list's main page at: > > http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone > > This is done so that potential new members can be screened to avoid > spam issues. > > <end quote> > > You can also go to the web page and read the posts without joining. > Unfortunately, the viphone list isn't set up to be archived at the > Mail Archive site, which provides an easier reading and searching > interface. > > I'll try to answer your questions. (Responses follow excerpted > queries). I have an iPod Touch, but the gestures used are the same as > for the iPhone. >>>> >>>> 1: What is the difference between the drack gesture and the >>>> flicking >>>> gesture? I know how the flicking gesture works. I've tried it in >>>> the >>>> gestures practise on a Iphone last week. I'm asking because I don't >>>> wanna drack icons around on the screen by accident. So how would I >>>> know when I'm just using the flicking gesture and when I'm dracking >>>> an >>>> icon? > Flicking is a very quick gesture where your finger is only in brief > contact with the screen. It's actually difficult to drag icons around > the screen by accident because you first need to execute a pass- > through gesture (double-tap and hold) before you can drag the icon and > also because VoiceOver will announce "moving icon" -- where the name > of the actual icon gets announced, like "moving Mail" or "moving > Maps". If you actually do move the icon VoiceOver will tell you the > row and column you're in, and until you lift your finger from the > screen the position doesn't get changed. If you get confused, or want > to stop, just move your finger to drag the icon back to where you > started, lift your finger from the screen, and click the home key to > get out of the mode in which icons can be moved. (This will also take > you back to the home screen in case you were moving icons on another > page of applications.) > > The OS 3.1 update added a gesture practice area under Settings > > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver where if you double tap the > "Practice VoiceOver Gestures" button you'll be taken to a screen where > VoiceOver announces the gestures you've used and their function -- > kind of like a gesture-based keyboard practice mode. If you flick, you > might hear "flick right, move to next item"; or if you issue the pass- > through gesture, you'd hear "double-tap and hold, drags the item". > (The only thing is, you won't hear the small burbly noise that is > played when you correctly perform a pass-through gesture of double-tap > and hold.) > >>>> >>>> 2: How do I navigate in a listbox? For example if I wanna go >>>> through a >>>> list of mails in the mail application, how do I go through this >>>> list? >>>> Do I have to find the top of the list with my finger, then lift my >>>> finger from the screen, move it down a bit and then touch again to >>>> select the next mail in the list? Or can I just flick to the >>>> right? I >>>> assume all items like my mailboxes, buttons etc will be read if I >>>> flick to the right, so that's the reason for I'm asking on how to >>>> navigate in listboxes. > > When reading mail in your Inbox you can use buttons for previous mail > and next mail to go through your messages. (What's a bit odd is that > the latest message is at the top of the list, so if you start further > down the list at your first unread message you end up tapping the > "previous message" button to move through mail, and I haven't found a > way to change sort order.) If you start from a listbox you can > navigate either by selecting individual items by touch or by using > gestures to move through items or pages. For example, you can do a > two-finger upward flick to "read all" on the page, and you will hear > not only the buttons at the top of the page, but also the list of mail > with sender, time, and subject. This will read through the list > including scrolling, and you can stop with a two-finger tap. You > could also touch the center of the screen (probably close to where you > stopped the list reading) and move your finger up or down and have the > entries read to you, then double-tap on a specific message that you > want to open for reading. Or, if your touch had brought focus to a > specific message in the list, you could flick right to move focus to > the next item in the list. I find that I'm more likely to simply move > my finger up and the down in contact with the screen for lists than to > flick, since the announcements and focus just change with the position > of my finger. The way that I open list selections also differs > according to how I've navigated: if I've stopped a "read all" or if > I've used a right or left flick, then I'll double-tap anywhere on the > screen to open the selection. If I'm using my finger in touch > navigation, then I'm more likely to open with a split tap by tapping > another finger of my hand against the screen. In the list you can mix > different kinds of gestures. For example, you can start reading down > from the current selection with a two-finger downward flick. If you > want to move up or down by pages, you can use a three-finger downward > swipe ( or upward swipe to move up by a page). > > I realize you probably want to use list navigation for reading mail, > but in other apps you may be more likely to use search functions. (Of > course, you can do that in mail, too, but probably not as much.) If > you do the two-finger flick up to "read all" you'll get a search box > announced after the buttons at the top of the screen and before the > list entries. If you double-tap in the search box to bring up a > virtual keyboard, you can start typing search terms. I think you > definitely don't want to experiment with learning this in mail, since > inputting text from a virtual keyboard is probably the hardest thing > to learn when you start. Even if you practice it you don't want to > start in mail. However, what I wanted to point out was that the > search inputs work the way that using the search field in iTunes > works: as you type letters the list shortens down to only show matches > to the letters you type, even if you haven't typed complete words. > What this means is that as you get familiar and comfortable with the > layout of apps on the screen you'll probably find yourself working > more with muscle memory of where things are on the screen and just > touching below the search field or running your finger down to listen > to the first few results rather than using flick gestures to navigate > to results. You'll also alternate more between just moving around > based on your spatial awareness of screen layout (initially, > referenced to the borders of your case, or to switches on the side) to > touch controls directly as well as by using the gesture controls. > Unless you turn the lock feature of your iPhone off (setting it to > never under settings) while you are still learning your way around, I > absolutely guarantee that you will learn the position of the unlock > button on the screen! (smile). > > >>>> >>>> 3: If I don't know where the icons and other items are physically >>>> placed on the screen, will the flicking gesture find all kind of >>>> items? Or do I have to search for items on the screen to make sure >>>> I've read all the information on the screen? > > As I mentioned before, what I found most helpful when I'm in a new app > or screen is to do a "read all" with a two-finger upwards flick (which > will read from the top of the page) or a two-fingers downwards flick, > which will read down from the place that has current focus. I found > it useful to run my fingers over the screen to locate the buttons. If > you're exploring the layout of your home screen, you'll hear the icons > for each app announced as you touch the screen, and that item gets > focus. You can flick right or left to move on. The reason I would > explore the screen by touch, too, is that there's usually a layout of > buttons at the top and bottom of the screen. If I only do a two- > finger flick (either up or down) in some cases I'll get to a very long > scrolling list. (This can happen in mail if you have lots of messages > to read.) The "read all" won't get to the buttons at the bottom of > the screen until it goes through the entire scrolling list. Again, > remember that you can alternate modes. You can determine which item > gets focus either by directly touching on the screen or by moving > through controls with flick right or left, or by stopping the read > from the top of the screen (two finger upwards flick) or from the > current position (two fingers downwards flick) with a two finger tap, > or any combination sequence. And you can double tap anywhere on the > screen to activate the selection that has focus. > >>>> >>>> I haven't got my Iphone yet, but I might get it next week. >>>> Best regards >>>> Søren Jensen > > HTH. You'll love your iPhone. I'm sure there are other iPhone > specific hints that users of the iPhone might suggest. I would > bookmark the Apple web page with the gestures. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
