Oh, the sad irony. But alas, people only want the "give us what we want then do 
what we want" kind of deal. Is it so hard to take this to the viPhone list? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I find it rather interesting that only a few days ago, people were 
> complaining that this list was not being moderated. Now that Marcus volunteer 
> to do this, people are up in arms. It's a thankless job but I can't imagine 
> why anybody would ever want to do this.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> May be this list has become over moderated if there is such a word.  I 
>> remember, once we were not permitted to discuss Windows and that was a one 
>> day wonder.  Will this be?
>> On 15 Sep 2015, at 21:07, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I guess that means that in Mark's official judgment any discussion of 
>> iOS TV OS or Apple Watch is forbidden, hmmmm!
>> Just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought the rest of the list would be interested in this response from 
>>> Mark sent off list but I think he should have responded on list.
>>> 
>>> Obviously he has no interest in what we the users have requested.  Any 
>>> idiot knows that the Apple environment is an ecosystem of devices and 
>>> software as well as content.  The Mac is a part, the iPhone is a part, pad 
>>> still another.  So instead of having one logical place to discuss the 
>>> entire ecosystem your moderator wants to have super fragmentation and then 
>>> stifle conversations that don’t deal with the Mac specifically.  We know 
>>> the VIPhone list is over run with garbage messages and badly moderated.  As 
>>> several stated they wanted a place here to discuss the entire Apple product 
>>> line and also presented was this list predates any others and as such 
>>> previously was a clearinghouse for all things Apple not just Mac.  I will 
>>> of course comply by leaving the list as I have no interest in subscribing 
>>> to yet more lists and I hope his power trip was satisfying.  Mark, your 
>>> users don’t want this so why enforce something that doesn’t make sense and 
>>> doesn’t meet the needs of the many users who have spoken up?
>>> 
>>> Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>> Subject: To Scott from Mark: Off-List: RE: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>> Date: September 15, 2015 at 2:09:33 PM EDT
>>>> To: <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> As stated in the subject, I am replying to you, off-list.  I would have 
>>>> appreciated the same courtesy.
>>>> 
>>>> While I appreciate your sentiment on this, the bottom line is that this 
>>>> list is dedicated to Mac OSX products and services only.  
>>>> 
>>>> So I ask you to please respect this policy and close this thread.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR REQUEST: iPhone 6S?
>>>> 
>>>> This is bogus.
>>>> 
>>>> I absolutely ask you to reconsider.  Apple devices should be on topic.  
>>>> Non apple devices should be on topic as long as the topic involves 
>>>> interoperation with Apple devices or comparisons of Apple devices to that 
>>>> product.
>>>> 
>>>> This list should allow the watch as well and support all Apple products.  
>>>> There may be an iPhone list and that’s all well and good but a lot of us 
>>>> don’t want to bother with more than one list
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 4:15 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> As this is not an iOS forum, I ask that this topic be taken off-list.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for understanding.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
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