No kidding. That was kinda a snobby thing you just posted Yuma.

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> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I am not sure but I think I've been insulted! My friend I think you're 
> going to have to start your own such list. I mean, after all, look who you're 
> asking for advice and direction. Very same people you think are fools adios 
> my friend good luck bye
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Considering the kind of polemics this list is going through, and that I 
>> haven’t seen one topic of which I am not aware of being an older mac os/ios 
>> user, I think it is time to shut my subscription from this list and look for 
>> a more adapted list which tries to advance the ideas of technology, and 
>> voice over in particular. May someone point me to a list which basically 
>> does not discuss so much about how to click this icon or make this boot 
>> drive work with that OS but rather a more creative output of ideas, 
>> developer topics and other subjecst that may appeal more to computer 
>> scientists, programmers and other creative heads? I know of some list that 
>> goes in this line, but I am looking for a place where everyone, or a large 
>> majority is a blind apple developer, programmer or tech industrial who uses 
>> xcode or can enter a more intellectually stimulating line of topics to help 
>> me understand better what blind/visually impaired users are looking for in 
>> apps, technologies such as A.I, machine learning as applied to apps or even 
>> conceptual discussions for sonificating apps for games and interactive 
>> media? Or does such a list exist?
>> 
>> In any case, I hope this list will clean up a bit as now it has become a 
>> large boudoir of everyone throwing in their opinion on every topic, which 
>> has become very tedious and superfluous at this point. I am not pointing 
>> fingers at anyone in particular, but hope that as a group, this list will 
>> start putting more emphasis on what matters. Action is much more respectable 
>> than politics and competing to have the most score in giving technical 
>> advice or saying what you think. I have noticed one very important 
>> difference between sighted and visually impaired users. The former are 
>> inundated with visual advertising and therefore know how to filter out the 
>> superfluous. As a blind programmer, I live in a world almost devoid of any 
>> ads save youtube, and therefore am much aware of the superfluous. So I 
>> preffer filtering it out rather than sticking to some strange illusion of 
>> grandeur over being in some list where everyone is cackering over 
>> everything. In some ways, this is counter productive as it is hours and 
>> hours of writing back and forth, every day. Think about it. It has no 
>> utility and no intrinsic value.
>> 
>> But people get addicted to it, just like anything else in the world. I’d 
>> rather get addicted to producing music, apps, creating technologies and 
>> being outdoors camping, going to festivals, socialising, dining and doing 
>> sports than being addicted to responding to tech help requests.
>> 
>> In any case, take care of yourselves everyone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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