Well scott here is the issue,

People red his bug list, but I also listened to his pod cast on 10.11, and it 
was all done one day before he even has 10.11 installed he did all this on the 
last beta of 10.11

So I get a kick out of how people read things and not follow through.

I do not see any of these bugs or almost non of these in the final release of 
10.11

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 05:24
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Subject: Re: El Capitan Is Here

As I mentioned, I’m not getting a lot of these bugs.  I experienced the email 
bug for a bit but on reboot it hasn’t happened again since yesterday.  No audio 
docking bug and haven’t run in to anything else yet although I’m sure I will.  
So far so good though, much cleaner than the jump to Yosemite was.  


> On Sep 30, 2015, at 9:57 PM, denise avant <denise.av...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> Thanks for the blog, podcast, and bug report. Most of all, thanks for your 
> honesty  regarding these bugs.
> The bugs here are really tough to deal with. As someone who really likes 
> using the Mac, but is an average user, for the first time, I  think I’m going 
> to wait for another update. Since the mainstream is reporting great 
> stability, I think those of us who rely on voiceover will be waiting longer 
> than usual..
> I know that with every new release, there are always bugs. but these are 
> significant. It is very disheartening to see this in a long-awaited release. 
> And no, this is not a rant about Apple not caring about accessibility. 
>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>> As with any new operating system, I would suggest waiting until at least the 
>> first, maybe the second major update before installing it, much safer that 
>> way.
>> Original message:
>>> You can’t really go by these bug lists.  They may be an issue for one 
>>> person, not on another.  Depends on a lot of factors.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> Thank you so much, Alex for posting this list of bugs in the new operating 
>>>> system. Having just read a mainstream review the talked about how this was 
>>>> a "rock solid" release, it is disheartening to see so many bugs in your 
>>>> list. I do know that Apple cares about accessibility. But it is damned 
>>>> hard to keep that in mind when they release a rock solid version with so 
>>>> many Voice over bugs. I have to believe that equivalent functionality for 
>>>> the mainstream would not be impacted in a release version. But because we 
>>>> are a small group, we can wait. And we can love it, as I'm sure the 
>>>> critics will now come out and tell me.
>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>>> On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Just a note to say that El Capitan has been released. I compiled a bug 
>>>>> list for AppleVis which I strongly recommend everyone looks at, as there 
>>>>> are some pretty major problems on there. I also wrote a blog, and did a 
>>>>> podcast, covering the new features in VoiceOver. Links:
>> 
>>>>> Bug List:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/mac-os-x-news/accessibility-bugs-os-x-1011-el-capitan-serious-minor
>> 
>>>>> New Features Blog:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/assistive-technology-mac-os-x-news/whats-new-os-x-1011-el-capitan-voiceover-users
>> 
>>>>> New Features Podcast:
>>>>> http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/exploring-some-new-accessibility-features-os-x-1011-el-capitan
>> 
>>>>> I realized, in reading this email back, that it might come off as a 
>>>>> little arrogant. I don't mean it that way, I just wanted to give people a 
>>>>> single place to get some coverage about the new OS, and those are the 
>>>>> only accessibility-centric sources I know of for now.
>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex Hall
>>>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
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