If Apple loses, we all lose. And how do we know what Big Brother really is snooping into now? But I surmise that if the government is attempting to force Apple into creating a tool, might that suggest we still have some measure of privacy? Its a nice thought.

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On 2/18/2016 10:38 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote:
Scot, but now imagine that apple looses… just for the sake of the
discussion… what will be next, our cars? the sat nav? when will it
stop?

On 2/18/16, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
So the EFF is with apple I believe, Google and Facebook, it’s just the media
who the government controls and the FBI who want this.

Just to add one small correction though, the pin isn’t the key it’s self.
So while you’re right about the number of combinations of 4 digits the
actual number of combinations is probably more like 2 to the 2048th power
combinations.  The pin is but a seed / pass phrase component of the key
pair.

Since it seems most people are on the side of Apple we should all write
Apple in support and write our congress persons letting them know we don’t
support this intrusion.

On Feb 18, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <sandi1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

so here is the thing, from what i understand and iPhones are not my
favorite subject, but ill try my best.
When you lock your iPhone the key too encrypt it all is on your phone,
apple don't have it anymore, so not even they can unlock the iPhone,
not even if they wanted, if you use a lock code on say 4 digits, there
is 10000 different combinations, and it gets worse seen form Fbis
point of view, because after i believe it is 10 times wrong passcode,
the phone erases it self.
I personally like this feature, not that i have anything interesting
on my phone, but i like the fact that my data is actually secure,
problem is if they find a way to force apple into making something
that works, even if it is just for one iPhone, guess  what the next
time the shit hits the fan there will be precedence for having apple
roll their magic again.
And that might be the dangerous part. It seems that google is with
apple on this one at least they sites with them, but have anyone heard
any Ms comments?

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Michael,
    I urge you to do your own moderating by using that delete key on
messages that bother you. I had to do that very task hundreds of times
just this week. And I expect that task is far from over. (smiles)

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On 2/18/2016 9:52 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
Two questions:
1. Why is this topic any more important for blind users than for any
other? That supposition is non-sensical to me.

2. Since this topic is apparently on-topic, why couldn't Apple design
some
sort of tool whereby law enforcement could send a specific device to
Apple, who could then take the device apart, and read/decrypt the data,
much as one might now do through the removal of a hard rive from a
laptop?
Asked another way, could something be developed which isn't part of the
operating system, but which could helplaw enforcement perform their
task?
For what it's worth, I think Tim is doing absolutely the right thing. A
couple bad Americans shouldn't disrupt the majority of us who deserve
incryption and who would not misuse it.
I ask the above purely as hypotheticles.


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     Not to encourage more heavy traffic but this IS an important issue
especially for blind users.

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On 2/18/2016 9:30 AM, Michael Malver wrote:
I have a very important comment:
This topic should be off topic for this list, which deals with how
blind
people interact with iPhones. I am not a moderator, but I hope I am
right
about this.

On Feb 18, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>
wrote:

Wonder if anyone else is following Tim Cook’s position against being
forced to cripple the security on iPhones.  Anyone have any comments?

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