fair enough. Your point is taken. And I do agree. enough said. Everybody have a blessed day.
Chris. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 29, 2016, at 18:15, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > It does little to discuss this with one who obviously has no moral compass. > The less said on list, the better. Mark knows what to do with people like > this. That is the best we can expect. Let Jonathan deal with it too. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Many believe that we have been visited > in the past. What if it were true? > >> On 2/29/2016 2:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> Aleeha, >> >> I could not have said your words any better, and I don't think I could >> agree more with you, if someone asked me to do so. >> >> I, too, would sincerely like to thank Anne for her hard work. You >> cannot know how much it's appreciated, and rest assured, I will support >> you until the very end through this mess. >> >> Chris. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleeha Dudley" >> <blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com> >> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:53 PM >> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on the >> Mac with VoiceOver >> >> >> That is so stupid, frankly. First of all, you are doing something >> illegal by distributing copyrighted work. Second, you say it on a public >> list. Third, you said you shouldn't have to pay for the book, yet you >> seem to have done so. Fourth and finally, how impolite and rude of you >> to talk on the same list as the author and publisher of the book about >> giving it away. Have you never had a job? Have you never worried about >> feeding yourself, a dog if you have one? Have you really had everything >> handed to you for your entire life? I should be so lucky. Until you know >> what any of this is like, there is no way you can understand the true >> value of a good day's work. If you went to work one day and expected a >> check, but were told that you wouldn't be getting one because your >> talents are of benefit to everyone, so you don't get to be paid. >> Wouldn't that upset you? People deserve to be paid for their time, >> energy and hard work. I train people with Mac, iPhone and Windows and >> only charge $15 per hour for that training, even though I am recently >> JAWS certified. This book, which doubtless contains several hours of >> information, costs just over what it would to get two hours of training >> from myself. I find this more than reasonable. I for one will probably >> purchase this book at some point and will gain a lot of information from >> it. I cannot afford to right now, but I will not pirate the book just so >> I can have the knowledge. Thank you Anne and Jonathan for yet another >> awesome book. >> Aleeha Dudley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 29, 2016, at 15:45, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I have the book, and I'll happily share it for free with anybody who >>> asks. Contact me if you want it. >>> >>>> On 2/29/2016 12:55 PM, Basioli George wrote: >>>> well i seem to remember having to buy all my text books in college. >>>> so, why can not ann make money on her eduicational material? >>>> >>>> so in your comment all knoledge is not free get a life >>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 23:21 PM, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is so much value in the distribution of free knowledge. I don't >>>>> need to repeat myself, but it's pretty obvious. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/29/2016 7:14 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >>>>>> So the work you put in to things for yourself and others is not >>>>>> worth anything to you or your family? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem paying Anne and her husband for their work on >>>>>> producing this guide, >>>>>> >>>>>> They've worked hard to put it together, >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's supporting this sort of work that helps us all go forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Shaw >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 7:13 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: It's finally here, a comprehensive guide to Pages on >>>>>> the Mac with VoiceOver >>>>>> >>>>>> Heard the same before. I don't think the authors will die if the >>>>>> book is freely available. There are other ways of making money >>>>>> other than sharing beneficial knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:50 AM, E.T. wrote: >>>>>>> Cross your fingers and hope Donald Trump wins the election, then >>>>>>> maybe he will make everything and even the air you breathe free. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You ARE free to decide not to fork over $35. At the end of the day, >>>>>>> if you do not like going hungry, or sleeping outside in winter, then >>>>>>> you might remember that no one else does either. Don't be so cheap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>>>>> true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/28/2016 7:16 PM, Jason Shaw wrote: >>>>>>>> $35 is still a lot for many people. This knowledge should be free to >>>>>>>> everybody with an option to donate to the author. Those who have the >>>>>>>> ability to will donate, those who cannot won't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 3:15 AM, John D. Lipsey wrote: >>>>>>>>> I see both sides of this argument. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On the one hand, having such a comprehensive resource freely >>>>>>>>> available means that it can be given to as wide of an audience as >>>>>>>>> humanly possible. However, I’m sure putting a book like this >>>>>>>>> together is no simple task. It probably requires a lot of time—time >>>>>>>>> that the author could be using to do other things for themselves >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> or their family. I have no problem compensating somebody for >>>>>>>>> something as long as it’s well researched and full of useful >>>>>>>>> knowledge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, as a person who has as one of his duties teaching Mac OS with >>>>>>>>> Voiceover to clients, I’m more than willing to grab this book and >>>>>>>>> encorporate some of its information into training sessions as >>>>>>>>> appropriate. Also, even though $35 may seem like a lot of >>>>>>>>> money—indeed it certainly may be for many people—it’s not, in the >>>>>>>>> grand scheme of things, a bad price. I could see a book like this >>>>>>>>> priced at or above $100, though I’ve come to expect reasonable >>>>>>>>> prices from Mosen Consulting, and would be shocked if they ever >>>>>>>>> tried to charge that much for this knowledge. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That’s all. Back to silently observing I go. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> DFTBA! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John D. Lipsey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mail: johnl1...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Twitter: @J_TGL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2016, at 20:06, Jason Shaw <crazywint...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This kind of knowledge should be free to everybody, and it will >>>>>>>>>> be. >>>>>>>>>> Nobody should be forced to pay so much for beneficial knowledge >>>>>>>>>> which would be extremely valuable to everybody, be they >>>>>>>>>> financially >>>>>>>>>> able or not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2/29/2016 2:39 AM, d.pra...@me.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'd love Applevis guides and podcasts for it too. I'd love to >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> a free option to share with my assistive technology class. The >>>>>>>>>>> instructors know next to nothing about pages and the Mac, and I >>>>>>>>>>> was very unprepared to help them make a course for it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/qtex0l>. >>>>>>>>>>> Devin Prater >>>>>>>>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM -0800, "Kevin Chao" >>>>>>>>>>> <kevincha...@gmail.com <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Has there been consideration for Numbers and KeyNote sequels? >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:03 PM Jonathan Mosen >>>>>>>>>>> <jmo...@mosen.org >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, Anne Robertson is one of the most helpful >>>>>>>>>>> people on >>>>>>>>>>> this list, particularly when it comes to using Pages. She >>>>>>>>>>> clearly knows it inside-out. >>>>>>>>>>> Last year, I contacted Anne and asked if she and her >>>>>>>>>>> husband >>>>>>>>>>> Archie would be willing to distill their Pages knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> into an >>>>>>>>>>> eBook. They agreed to do this and Mosen Consulting has >>>>>>>>>>> published >>>>>>>>>>> it today. The book is called "My Mac Pages" and contains >>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>> 40,000 words of essential info for making the most of the >>>>>>>>>>> application. >>>>>>>>>>> You can learn more about the book here >>>>>>>>>>> <http://mosen.org/index.php/mymacpages/>. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to Anne and Archie for doing this. 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