Day,
The error that was committed here was first, posting an unfounded
rumor and second, not citing a credible source. This serves no one.
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 6/10/2016 6:10 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:
Ah, but, recall at the end of my message I speculated that Apple would
indeed offer at the least one of two possible ways of getting around
that. VO+tapping on bar equals turn on Voice Over. Or else, triple
tapping bar equals turn on Voice Over. In such cases, it would not
matter where on the bar you tapped. I think all the negativity comes
from the fact that we blind are too used to being burned by lack of
understanding of our needs. True, though, we need (I think) not worry.
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!!
On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com
<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
I've tried to stay away from all the speculative threads, but I wanted
to remind everyone that this isn't Apple's first rodeo. Plus, this is
all over rumors, backed up by a few images; we have no real idea what
will happen in the future. What if this is all false, and it doesn't
happen? What if this bar has taptic feedback, so that touching it
simulates touching keys? What if the keys are there, but each is a
screen instead of plastic?
But let's assume the worst: a smooth, glass surface that provides no
feedback when touched, unless VoiceOver is on. Why the automatic
assumptions that Apple will forget about VoiceOver? Remember the
rumors that flew when the Apple Watch was presented, and didn't use
its internal speaker on stage? People jumped to the conclusion that it
lacked such a speaker and thus would be totally inaccessible. The
Watch on my wrist tells me that was a false alarm. Or when, you know,
Apple pretty much invented screen-reading on a device with no buttons,
in the iPod Touch and then iPhone? Or when it included great VoiceOver
features in the (smooth and featureless) glass of the Apple TV 4
remote? Or when it made sure that there was some form of audible
feedback when booting into an encrypted system, even though VoiceOver
couldn't be used at the login prompts?
But let's throw out history and assume Apple does the thing some
people think they will: they make this Mac, and don't include any way
of toggling VoiceOver on. No simple trackpad gesture, no holding the
command key and tapping twice anywhere on the bar, nothing whatsoever.
In that incredibly unlikely case, you simply don't buy the newest Mac
until a software update fixes the problem. I really don't understand
the negativity here, is all I'm saying.
On Jun 10, 2016, at 18:09, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com
<mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If they replace the function keys with the touch sensitive bar,I
along with probably most of this list will lose a lot of respect for
them as a company. I understand that they're supposed to integrate
touch ID into this bar, but there are several other places on the
machine itself or touch ID could be integrated without having to lose
physical function keys. I have a feeling the Tim Cook led Apple is
valuing form over function, which for people with disabilities, isn't
always the best idea. Lenovo attempted this no function key idea with
one of their machines, and guess what? It absolutely bombed, even for
people that did not have a disability.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Honestly, totally agreed.
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: bar instead of function keys on new Mac Book Pros?
I think the touch bar is stupid, enough said.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:01 PM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net
<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
Hi there,
Rumor has it that the soon forth coming Mac book pros will feature
a touch bar instead of function keys on the keyboard. This raises
an interesting question. Assuming that Voice Over is turned off on
any one of the new Mac book Pros that a blind user goes up to, how
is a blind person supposed to turn on Voice Over if there are no
physical function keys but instead a touch bar? I think maybe I
can guess. If a blind person needs to turn on Voice OVer, it
should be possible by pressing VO+touch anyware on the bar and that
should do it. Or else, triple tap the bar to turn Voice OVer on. I
can almost imagine the e-mails now.
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!!!!!
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