Right now the public betas are El Capitan updates. Apple will almost certainly release a final release of El Capitan and then sometime in September we’ll see the next revision. I know in the public beta of IOS improvements in call routing are under way and smashing of other bugs, I’d assume we’ll see similar in the next release as well as the introduction of new bugs.:) That’s the way that goes.
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 6:06 AM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote: > > Yep, I think they basically gave us El Cap with a few new voices and such, > but maybe when the public beta hits, they’ll pull out all the stops. > Sent from my Mac. > > Devin Prater > d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com> > > > >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 5:48 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jpanar...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Exactly. So they exist now. Now and October are a long way off. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:06 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>> >>> This is why we ought not to discuss beta software. Sierra is a couple >>> away from release and what bugs may exist now may not end up in the final >>> release. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> Are We Alone in the Universe? >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>> >>> On 7/5/2016 3:01 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >>>> Breakages in El Capitan exist in Sierra >>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:32 PM matthew dyer >>>> <ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I have been using moos since lepord and rite now in elcapiton the only >>>> problem I have is with how mail works with gmail. I find that mail just >>>> doesn't sync with gmail as well. Any one know they best way to handle >>>> gmail with the mail app? Should the all mail be hidon or not in gmail >>>> settings. I find that for sone reason that gmail syncing just doesn't >>>> keep up with the way I delete mail in the mail app,. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/05/2016 11:15 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>>> > hi Saqib, >>>> > >>>> > What exactly is happening when your Mail is freezing up. Keyboard >>>> not responsive? Mail saying "busy, busy" all the time? Focus >>>> lost? I'm not experiencing any Mail issues, so am attempting to >>>> assist. Really, there's no issues bug-wise with Mail as far as I'm >>>> aware, so this may be some other issue related to VO, Mail settings, >>>> Account settings etc. >>>> > >>>> > Later... >>>> > >>>> > Tim Kilburn >>>> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>> > >>>> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 06:47, Saqib Hussain <saqib1...@icloud.com >>>> <mailto:saqib1...@icloud.com> >>>> <mailto:saqib1...@icloud.com <mailto:saqib1...@icloud.com>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi Martain. I’m beginning to agree with you! My keyboard always >>>> freezes up in the mail client and I’m surprised that I’m replying to >>>> this message without another major freeze. After talking to Apple >>>> support and resetting the machine 3 times! My only option is to go >>>> out and buy an ethernet cable and do a full re-install of the OS. Oh >>>> do I regret getting a Mac. >>>> >> On 4 Jul 2016, at 13:13, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> My first encounter with Voiceover was back in the Snow Leopard >>>> days, and boy >>>> >> was I impressed with the level of commitment by Apple to its >>>> screen reader. >>>> >> It was back then I was enthusiastic about learning as much as I >>>> could about >>>> >> this very different way of accessing a computer. It was quite a >>>> struggle >>>> >> having come from the Windows environment, but I persevered and >>>> most of what >>>> >> I know about interacting with my Mac goes back to those days. >>>> Sadly, I feel >>>> >> it has been down hill as far as building upon what made Voiceover >>>> a great >>>> >> solution to help a blind person do what needs to be done to get >>>> the most and >>>> >> the best out of their Mac. >>>> >> >>>> >> In the past few years I only drop in occasionally to see if >>>> things are >>>> >> getting better with what used to be a great product only to find >>>> that things >>>> >> are no better, and sometimes even worse. We are now some nine >>>> months into >>>> >> the release of El Capitan, and still there are bugs that should >>>> have been >>>> >> sorted before the software was even out the door. I am not one of >>>> those >>>> >> people who expect everything to always work perfectly from day >>>> one. Nor do I >>>> >> expect that sometimes one has to think outside the box when >>>> working with >>>> >> energised silicone chips, but when doing basic tasks such as >>>> deleting a web >>>> >> site from favourites, the task should be simple and take seconds >>>> to perform. >>>> >> Oh boy, not on this Mac. >>>> >> >>>> >> And then there's Safari. When it works it's good, but when it >>>> doesn't it >>>> >> would drive a Zen master towards the Prozac shelf. On some sites >>>> its fine, >>>> >> on others it's rickety, while on others it quite simply refuses >>>> to work. An >>>> >> example of the latter is the Soap Kitchen, a company based in the >>>> United >>>> >> Kingdom. It was so bad I was on the verge of pressing the off >>>> switch to get >>>> >> out of the mess. The big problem with the Mac is, if Voiceover is >>>> playing up >>>> >> then you're basically stuffed. On a Windows machine, what one >>>> screen reader >>>> >> doesn't do another might. I know there are very dedicated and >>>> able users of >>>> >> Voiceover on this list who may take offence to an interloper such >>>> as myself >>>> >> for daring to criticise Apple for its efforts. However, I feel if >>>> El Capitan >>>> >> is the best a multibillion company can do for its disabled >>>> customers, then >>>> >> give me Windows any day where I have to pay for a more reliable >>>> screen >>>> >> reader. Free is not always best, and Voiceover is testimony to that. >>>> >> >>>> >> In the near future, it is rumoured, that Microsoft will provide a >>>> screen >>>> >> reader worthy of that label. I am not holding my breath for that >>>> to become a >>>> >> reality. However, let's assume that Microsoft finally gets a moral >>>> >> conscience and does what it should have done years ago and >>>> enables people >>>> >> who are blind to access their product out of the box. If it is as >>>> bug-ridden >>>> >> as Voiceover is, then I will still be happy to pay for a better >>>> experience. >>>> >> Despite my best efforts with the Mac, my productivity suffers >>>> badly using >>>> >> Voiceover. >>>> >> >>>> >> However, all is not lost. After all we will soon be getting a new and >>>> >> supposedly better operating system from the Gods at Apple. >>>> Perhaps I will >>>> >> give it a go after a nine month period in the hope that Apple has >>>> once more >>>> >> taken its commitment to accessibility back on to a more serious >>>> footing. As >>>> >> with Microsoft, however, I shall not be holding my breath. I have >>>> been >>>> >> reliably informed that asphyxia is not a pleasant way to pop >>>> one's clogs. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On a final note, I know and accept that screen readers such as >>>> JAWS and >>>> >> Window-Eyes are not perfect. But I find both way more reliable than >>>> >> Voiceover. Using either with Internet Explorer, the vast majority >>>> of sites >>>> >> are very manageable. What I want to do with my computer, be it >>>> Windows or >>>> >> Mac, is to just get the job done in as short a time as possible. >>>> The last >>>> >> thing I want to spend my time on is trying to figure out how to >>>> get around a >>>> >> bug that someone with a degree in computer science has created in >>>> the first >>>> >> place. 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