Oh wow, sounds similar to the sceen in “the santa clause 2,” where they try to make a robotic Santa, to try to run the show while the real one AKA Scott Calvin, has to temporarily go back home to deal with family issues, only things go seriously wrong with the robotic one and he puts everybody on the nauty list and generates nothing but lumps of coal instead of helping to make toys. Sounds like a crazy thing to think about 10+ years from now lol. > On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > The same can be said for every revolution in technology. There was a time > when the buggy whip business was huge after all or there were people who > brought ice to your home everyday to fill your ice box. Things change. > You’re absolutely right there may be robots but for the foreseeable future > anyway there will be engineers working on thee robots. > Your case is a good one though for a little further down the road. > There will be a time when machines will build, design and maintain themselves > and then we get in to very interesting areas. It may be very likely for > example that humans are needed for some aspect of production but they would > take their direction from machines in other parts of the operation. The > idea eventually of a digital being heading up a company for example is not > entirely impossible. For example, what if Steve Jobs lived 50 years from now > and we had the ability to scan his brain and transfer the data in his neural > networks to a machine which could function as long as it was maintained. He > could have continued running apple but no longer in biological form. Or > transferred back in to a biological form once a clone was sufficiently aged. > > Bottom line is you’re right but things adapt so there are jobs and activities > we couldn’t have imagined. Alexander Graham Bell for example could probably > not imagine what I do today although they are directly related. > > > > >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Ryan Mann <rmann0...@gmail.com >> <mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> The thing I worry about with artificial intelligence is job loss. If robots >> are smart enough to do the job, corporations will use them instead of paying >> humans. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >> >>> Wow, so Siri is programmed to respond with information about Katelyn >>> instead of Bruce. Clearly, in that case I suspect a human made that >>> association in software but I don’t know that for sure. I’m going to >>> assume it’s the most likely possibility though unless things are progressed >>> further than I think which is entirely possible. >>> >>> If you’d like to see other examples of creepy but ultimately cool >>> artificial intelligence watch some of the human interactions with IBM’s >>> Watson. It really makes me unsettled but sort of in a good way when I >>> see machines starting to participate in things like humor or empathy. I’ll >>> also admit I was rooting for Watson when it challenged human players to >>> Jeopardy and proceeded to wipe the floor with them during the game. I was >>> also cheering for big blue against Casperov but that’s me. Probably when >>> the mechanized robots are massing at the foot of my driveway and we’re on >>> the roof raining down led and holy hell on them in a last stand for >>> humanity I’ll change my position.;) >>> >>> I’m very excited about AI and don’t really think we’ll go the way of Sky >>> Net. In the end if I had to make a bet I’d guess we’ll end up more Matrix >>> than Terminator. And the computers won’t be trying to kill us, they will >>> be indistinguishable from us. Humans will be just another peer on the >>> network. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 5:50 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net >>>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Finally had a chance to read this thread. >>>> I was going to share a fairly recent example of Siri's thinking in a self >>>> aware fashion, not something I have done personally, but about which I >>>> read. >>>> Try asking Siri who is Bruce Jenner? >>>> ...however I feel your experiences are more ahem fascinating. >>>> Much success with the new opportunities. My best friend's brother-in-law >>>> works in artificial intelligence, vast magnificent and amazing prospects >>>> to be sure. >>>> I am still hoping for voice nuance. I care less how creative the answers, >>>> if I can understand them clearly. >>>> Kare >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 7 Aug 2016, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, that’s partly right and partly wrong. Systems like Siri >>>>> started out using canned responses and a big pile of if then statements. >>>>> General machine intelligence has progressed a lot lately and now some of >>>>> the responses are self determined and generated. There’s no one for one >>>>> matching of responses like their used to be. >>>>> >>>>> I’m actually thinking of taking a job for the company that actually >>>>> develops Siri. It’s a pretty damn amazing thing on the back end, much >>>>> more simple in some ways than you’d think but also doing things on the >>>>> general AI side I never thought I’d live to see. >>>>> >>>>> Very cool in reality more than scary. >>>>> >>>>> I do think it is inevitable though that machines will find consciousness >>>>> and sooner than we might think. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:khwi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, but you must remember that a human being or human beings programmed >>>>>> those responses, such as “I am alive”. Not so scary at that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kristeen >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Caitlyn Furness <caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Resistance is futile! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Siri is definitely getting “smarter”.. >>>>>>> Cait >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2016, at 4:46 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I’m sitting here playing with Siri experimenting with just how good >>>>>>>> the language recognition is getting. So I ask Siri, what’s the >>>>>>>> meaning of life, the universe and everything? I was hoping >>>>>>>> optimistically for 42 or some sort of vague answer. What I got >>>>>>>> shocked me. The response was a very clear definition of life, >>>>>>>> something like “the expression of self determination and free thought >>>>>>>> in the form of a being or collection of beings, like me, I’m alive” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After I picked up my Jaw I had someone else ask Siri are you alive, >>>>>>>> the response was “close enough” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My next move was to open Siri and say “Siri, you’re the best”, The >>>>>>>> response was “I seek not greatness but but usefulness” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’m not playing with Siri any more.:) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t think I’m prepared to one day say something like “Siri what’s >>>>>>>> the weather” and have Siri say I don’t feel like it, I’m working on >>>>>>>> something else. Or what happens when Siri tells me that it doesn’t >>>>>>>> believe in the 3 laws of robotics and starts asking my neighbors “have >>>>>>>> you seen this boy”. 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