Mary, i could be way wrong here but I thought the Samsung S5 at least had a usb port where you attached the headphones with an adapter. I could be remembering wrong though.
> On Sep 1, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Samsung tried what? Samsung did not remove the headphone jack. They took away > the storage card slot. And they brought it back, because people complain. > They took away the user replaceable battery. They did not bring that back, > despite complaint. They do what they want. There is no immediately efficient > replacement for that storage card slot. Apple has never had one. People have > complained forever about the fact that it is harder to access the whole file > system on Apple devices. As Apple change that? No they have not. > > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com > <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> There will definitely be a backlash, Samsung tried this and it was reversed. >> The reason Apple is doing this is simple, money. >>> On 1 Sep. 2016, at 6:28 pm, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org >>> <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm in full agreement with you mark. The headphone jack removal has a huge >>> negative accessibility impact for me personally, and I have to hope the >>> inconvenience factor will cause Apple to regret the day they did this and >>> reverse it. I frequent a forum for IT professionals here in New Zealand. >>> I'm the only blind person there, and people are justifiably livid about the >>> removal of the headphone jack. Most people don't want this, and I suspect >>> based on what has leaked that the benefits to most people of upgrading will >>> be so incremental that the lack of a headphone jack will cause a lot of >>> people to sit it out. >>> That gives me some hope in a situation that has really affected me, because >>> one thing that this process has taught me since I started blogging about >>> the possibility of the headphone jack to raise the alarm at a time when it >>> may have made a difference, is that I was naive to think that blind people >>> might be any more sensitive to and respectful of the accessibility needs of >>> others, such as the hearing impaired. I guess I would like to think that >>> since we know what impact inaccessibility can have on our own lives, we >>> would be sensitive to the needs of others, even when the issues didn't >>> affect us directly. But that has proven a stupid pipe dream on my part, and >>> I've found the whole thing really upsetting. For the most part, it seems >>> like it's everyone for themselves these days, and if others are being >>> thrown under the bus, well too damn bad. >>> As a hearing aid wearer, I can't use Apple's ear pods. As a hearing aid >>> wearer, i need to have my phone connected to the headphone jack almost all >>> the time I use it. Bluetooth latency is abysmal and not viable for someone >>> who moves through their phone at a good clip. Even if this were to improve, >>> Bluetooth drains hearing aid batteries in a profound way and it's difficult >>> to get through an entire business day of use without the need to charge >>> something. >>> And if I use the provided lightning adapter, then it appears I can't then >>> charge my phone while I use my phone. This is the most senseless, selfish, >>> stupid, user-unfriendly thing Apple has ever done. This company, which >>> parades their accessibility efforts like some sort of badge of honour, >>> appears to be about to crap all over one segment of its accessibility >>> market. >>> Something isn't automatically the future because Apple says it is. And >>> they're going too far this time, alienating too many people. Perhaps, in >>> time, a USB-C-based solution is going to be viable, and receive carefully >>> managed industry-wide adoption. But Apple isn't using USB-C on its >>> iDevices. It's using a proprietary port that it doesn't even offer on its >>> own personal computers, meaning you won't be able to use the >>> Lightning-based Ear Pods even with a Mac. That's two sets of headphones >>> you're going to have to carry around with you, unless you don't mind having >>> an adapter jutting out of the port you want to charge your phone with. >>> Absolutely absurd. >>> I believe it was Samsung that recently put out a series of ads mocking >>> Apple over the potential lack of a headphone jack. They know Apple has >>> given them a great gift. I just wish Android accessibility were more viable >>> for daily use. Because once my 6s Plus eventually expires, I'm really going >>> to be stuck. Hopefully, Apple will have seen sense by then because there is >>> certainly going to be a backlash. >>> Jonathan Mosen >>> Mosen Consulting >>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >>> http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/> >>>> On 1/09/2016, at 6:15 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Mary, >>>> >>>> My point is simply that, unlike the era of Jobbs, the market, plays an >>>> active role in what the future brings. We, as consumers, have >>>> alternatives and it's when we begin to explore these alternatives that >>>> companies pay attention. >>>> >>>> Given Apple's issue with iTunes for Windows and its politically ridiculous >>>> decision to unilaterally put albums in its users' accounts, I'm not so >>>> certain that just because it decides something it better will make it so. >>>> >>>> I remember the fan fair Apple made about its watch--they thought it would >>>> change the lives of the world. Well, as far as I can tell, my world >>>> hasn't changed one bit either with or without it. >>>> >>>> As far as Samsung is concerned, I don't think they'll be so quick to >>>> follow Apple's lead in the coming future. As one of the executives of >>>> Samsung recently said, "Samsung is at its best when it leads, not when it >>>> follows." >>>> >>>> My personal position is to just sit back, wait, and see. Fortunately for >>>> me, I no longer have the desire to run out and purchase the latest device >>>> just because it is the latest. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:33 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>> iPhone seven >>>> >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> Of course, only time will tell. But I think you are wrong about the >>>> disappearing headphone jack. For one thing, Samsung put back the storage >>>> card thing, but did not put back the user replaceable battery. Also, if >>>> the other rumor is true, Apple will be including compatible earbuds with >>>> the new phone, as well as an adapter to make it possible for people to use >>>> other headphones. Given the prevalence of Bluetooth these days, I suspect >>>> that the headphone jack will in fact be gone from iPhones forever. Other >>>> device makers are already moving in this direction. So it isn't just >>>> Apple. In fact, they will not be the first ones to market without a >>>> headphone jack on the phone. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 11:05 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Well, as for me, I'm going to sit back and see how the market accepts the >>>>> new iPhone 7 trans a separate earphone jack. >>>>> >>>>> When Samsung attempted to make its devices thinner by (1) removing the >>>>> removable battery and (2) removing the ability to add auxiliary memory to >>>>> its flagship phones, it soon reversed its decision as the market, >>>>> effectively, rejected the devices in favor of other companies who kept >>>>> those features. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of years ago, when Apple decided to remove the ability for iOS >>>>> devices to have their photo content immediately available to PC users >>>>> upon attaching the device to the computer, the marketplace went crazy and >>>>> vowed to turn to Android if Apple insisted on forcing people to use >>>>> iTunes in order to manage photos. >>>>> >>>>> Like Samsung, Apple immediately reversed itself by restoring this feature >>>>> in the subsequent release of iTunes. >>>>> >>>>> So, I'll just wait and see for, unless 7 is a complete hit, something >>>>> tells me that iPhone 8 will bring the jack back (smile). >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Gallik >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 9:43 AM >>>>> To: MacVisionaries E-Mail List >>>>> Subject: Re: Some interesting rumours regarding 3.5 mm jack issue on the >>>>> iPhone seven >>>>> >>>>> When all the “hubbub” concerning Apple removing the earphone jack first >>>>> appeared I was certain they (Apple) was going to provide an adapter so >>>>> potential customers would be able to use their existing earphones with >>>>> the iPhone 7. 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