You're quite right. Since then, I spent some time with a sighted person so I 
could get visual feedback as I played around. They also gave me general tips on 
Keynote. I found hints, or vo-shift-h, on objects were very helpful, and that 
arrows or shift-arrows move by one or ten points respectively. I'd been using 
VO's "move object" command, which works but is less convenient than the 
built-in commands.

My main question now is how to resize things. If I want to make an image 
smaller, how would I do it? I can't figure out the VO command for resizing, as 
I don't understand the grid or area menus and can't do anything even once I 
choose one. Still, Keynote makes it more possible than I expected to make a 
decent powerpoint while blind. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 04:11, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> You’re asking an awful lot of questions in one message and you haven’t given 
> yourself much time to find the answers.
> Use VO-Cmd-F3 and VO-Cmd-F3-F3 to get an idea of the layout of the slide.
> If you have my book on Pages, you can find out all about shapes and what you 
> can do with them.
> As for finding yourself back at the top of the slide, I’m not sure what’s 
> going on there.
> One thing I would say is never use Quick Nav when editing slides, in fact, 
> don’t use it when editing anything. I consider Quick Nav to be a reading mode.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 20:40, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I tried this a few years ago, but am again trying to make a slideshow for a 
>> presentation this Friday. I have questions, not surprisingly. I'm on the 
>> latest Keynote under 10.11, but I also plan to edit this on my iPhone.
>> 
>> * In the 'body' area, I wrote a list of items. If I arrow to the bottom of 
>> this text field and then down arrow once more, I'm at the top of the field 
>> all of a sudden. Why?
>> 
>> * The default slide includes a title and a body. Should I just put my text 
>> in the body, or should things go into text fields? That is, how oxo you 
>> decide between a lot of text in one field and less text in multiple fields?
>> 
>> * How do you move items after you initially place them and exit the move 
>> mode?
>> 
>> * How, as a blind person, can I make better sense of my layout? The numbers 
>> are a good start, but I can't picture how it all comes together. I also 
>> don't know when text fits, or if I need to scroll.
>> 
>> * Speaking of which, how do you know how much text fits in a text box or 
>> other item? Or do they grow as you type?
>> 
>> * Is there any point in inserting shapes? Can you put text in them or 
>> something?
>> 
>> I think that's all for the moment. Thanks.
>> 
>> --
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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