T.V. Rahman hasn't been on the team for almost 7 years now. He's long long
long long long! since been gone.
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From: "Donna Goodin" <doniado...@me.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: IOS10 Mail app changes
This is very good to hear. Hopefully, they've lost that jerk T.V. Rahman.
I hope you are right, I think it's always better to have more choices.
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:48 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
I’ll do it publicly online so people can follow along through the
frustrations and successes. The android world has changed massively since
2010. Really until a few months ago it was pretty pitiful. Victor and
his team took talkback to a new level though recently. Seems like changes
internal to google and personnel wise took place and the results are
highly encouraging. It’s not there yet but it’s a contender where back in
your time frame it was most definitely not.
On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:44 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
Keep us all posted on this, Scott. I will be very interested to hear
about your experience. I tried an Android phone--several of them,
actually--back in 2010, and found it to be utterly inferior to the iPhone
experience in just about every way. I assume Android accessibility has
made some strides since then, but my earlier experience was bad enough
that I'll let someone else do the comparison testing. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:
I sure am but the pure android experience not one rebaked by another
vendor. Google hasn’t released their devices yet. I’d like to do a
comparison so I’ll use the 7+ and when the Nexus replacements come out I’ll
put down the 7+ and move the SIM to the new phone and compare. This way
it’s a full dedicated experience instead of trying to flip back and
forth between devices and take my own advice to commit.:)
On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, Scott. But weren't you going to try a more recent android
experience?
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net>
wrote:
Michael you’re right and just try using Android. It’s like getting a
prostate exam from Captain Hook.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:40 PM, michael babcock
<michael.babcoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
Apple doesn’t make there products and services to work for everyone.
All this talking about leaving because you don’t like there updates,
means nothing honestly.
Apple is doing there marketing the right way; they aren’t in the
everyone business and the people who do like there products and
services obviously pay more.
What is a Mac in most cases?
A PC…
A Personal Computer …
But apple markets a Mac as a Mac and the people who want there
changes will continue paying for them.
I’ve seen a few people say that they don’t like the way apple is
doing there updates, and just had to say, so what…
Switch to android, back to a Nokia N82, (Side note do they still make
that phone?), windows 10 touch phone, etc.
#choices.
And regarding the new mail problem, yes i complained to a friend that
i couldn’t use preview in my mail and listen to part of the messages.
He didn’t know how to get this working, however the podcast AppleVis
released helped me a lot.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Best.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 6:30 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
Change is counterproductive? Perhaps to some who have a hard time
adapting to change. But, at the end of each day, change is
inevitable. If that is what you deem as force, well, the solution
is, of course, jump ship. But, inevitable there as well. the cycle
repeats itself.
Release notes of sorts can be found at the wonderful resource called
Applevis.
How long have you been using OS X? I am still learning this system
but it sure outruns Windows.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 9/15/2016 6:03 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:
It seems counterproductive to force an up-to-date, streamlined
functionality, such as iOS to emulate an older, difficult, clumsy
system, namely OS.
If I'm not mistaken, there are more users of the iOS than the OS.
The
iOS represents a gateway experience that the public has readily
adopted.
Among the public are large numbers of blind and disabled users.
If this new mail modality represents Apple's future for iOS, I am
going
to be forced into seeking another phone and notebook alternative.
This
mail issue mushroomed, full-blown, from an update promised to
improve,
to make simpler, to add features.
My experience has unfortunately invited an opposite opinion. No
release
notes guided usage; it was just changed, just done and just not
helpful
or easily usable.
It feels as though there is a tug-of-war between some who learned
on
that clumsy, multi-step, multi-keyboard usage system and those
using the
iOs. It is my opinion that the older, less easy OS needs to give
place
to the more modern, more intuitive, more usable iOs and not the
other
way round.
Each update adds extra complications to iOS in the name of
improvements.
There are a cadre of blind and sighted who, like the old friends at
rehab, insist on speaking for us, the user/consumer blind, for our
own good.
I recommend that all of us speak up in our own best interest or
risk
losing something that could and did change the world for us.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:27, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com
<mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Correct, the way messages are handled has changed. Visually, it
now
looks much more like mail on the mac. It also works more like
macmail.
When in the main message list, individual messages are still
handled
the same as in iOS 9. Threads are different. If one double-taps on
a
thread to activate it, one goes into a browse thread view. In this
view, single-finger vertical flick moves up and down through the
messages. Single-finger horrizontal flicks read through the
specific
message. Double-tap on the delete button at the bottom of the
screen
deletes all messages in the thread. Three-finger horrizontal flick
moves between threads, threads and individual messages which do
not
belong to threads, and individual messages. In other words, the
same
as single-finger horrizontal flick in the message list screen.
If one wishes to delete only some messages from a thread, the
thread
must be expanded. Whilst in the main message screen, single-finger
vertical flick to expand thread and double-tap. Now, the thread is
unpacked and all the messages in the thread are treated like
non-thread messages. Now that I have become used to this new
system, I
really like it. It took me a few hours of frustration to become
used
to this new system.
I am hoping that, as Apple continues merging the behaviours of
apps
for iOS and Mac, that we will see a full Mac-based iPad. I love
touch-screen and want my touch-screen Mac, or the equivalent.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 16/09/2016, at 10:09, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com
<mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
message threading seems to have changed substantially in IOS10. I
can
no longer 3 finger flick from message to message in a thread,
instead
I have to use the “pre and next” message buttons. Also, the list
of
messages in a thread no longer appears, but instead I am thrown
into
the first message in the thread and then have to navigate between
messages using the next and pre message buttons. What a screw up
this
is! is 3 finger flicking from message to message gone in ios10?
Also how about the thread message list? is that gone too? or are
there some settings that need tweaking?
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