Ok, scott, where do you have your crendencals, to be able to give advise? I know chris, is certified to be able to give the advise he does give so can you show us the proof you know what you are talking about? mister smarty pants!

On 9/21/2016 12:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
Chris, nobody cares and you have absolutely 0 room to speak. The one time I made the mistake of helping you, you went psycho and besides, I’m not interested in the moral comments from a rapist.

So pipe down inmate.

On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And I do not appreciate Scott's comment at all! I was trying to help for God given sake! Tim is correct in that it's not required to boot to a backup. In that sense, yes, it's a full backup. I agree, but that wasn't my initial point, and I think I made it very clear as such. I never said TM wasn't doable. I only said it won't make a full bootable backup, which I, along with some others, might more prefer. Don't say I speak crap, or whatever word you choose until you get your facts straight of what I actually said, not of what I didn't say nor imply. Enough said. I'm not participating in this thread anymore. I've stated my personal preference, for what it's worth, which apparently is nothing valued, so who cares! I'm done with it! Figure the backup process out yourself.
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I can see chris's points because time machine is really not a true back up and also since you need a time capsel, or airport express router and the like for time machine to work the way chris stated to do a true back up would be more of the slutation then time machine.

On 9/21/2016 8:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
This is such bunk, sometimes Chris I think you talk to hear your self talk.

Of course it’s a true backup, when the hell is it a requirement to boot off the backup. By this logic Veritas and the rest of the mass backup solutions aren’t a backup either. Just because the data is stored in a database or in an on-tap file system or time machine doesn’t mean it’s not a full backup. If you restore from time machine you’ll get back to exactly where you were when that snapshot was taken. IF I used a terabyte tape library would that make my backup less valid because you don’t boot from tape? I don’t get it.

Helga, Time Machine will do exactly what you want to do and secure that school data just fine.


On Sep 21, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The problem with Time Machine is, it's not an exact image of your drive. It's great for basic things, and for backing up your apps, files, and settings, but if you want to really get technical, it's not, at the end of the day, a true OS backup regardless what anyone says. For instance, show me how to boot from a time machine backup. You can't. Point I hope taken. At least, if you *can!* literally boot from a drive soly created by TM, then I'm totally unaware of how to do so. This is exactly why I use Super Duper. Though they'd encourage you to buy and register it, you don't actually have to. It never will expire on you, but there are just some features that won't be enabled. Those features by no means are door stoppers though. For instance. I'm a pro musician as a lot of you know. So, when a new major OS like this comes out, it's always the million dollar question, will ProTools work with this OS with no problems? At first, usually, the answer is no. But, I always try anyway. This being said, I don't use Time Machine for those situations. I'll instead fire up Super Dooper, take an exact bootable, mind you, snapshot image of my drive's current state, then, I'll update, and if something goes disastrous, it's no big deal. I just roll back from that image I made, and within an hour or two, I'm downgraded and right back in perfect working order as if I'd never updated to start with. So yeah, call me weird. I like the idea of what Apple did with Time Machine, but I just don't think it's fair to tell people it's a full backup sollution. It's not. It sort of is, but it sort of isn't, if you catch my jidst. If all you want is to back up your files, settings, and apps, then OK, whatever, go for it, but if you're really wanting to be the most optimally safe as possible, then look into a full backup sollution like Super Duper, or Carbon Copy Cloner, etc. Trust me, in the long run, it just may save you a day or more of hard hard work.
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Time machine is extremely easy to use, almost as soon as you connect your back up drive to the computer it will come up and start the backup. If it does not for any reason either open finder and look under apps and choose time machine. If you need to you can choose the backup drive and click to show it the time machine app that is.
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*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> *Subject:*Suggestions in how can I back up information of my Mac computer before updating to Sierra Hi all! How are you all? So I want to back up my mac before updating to Sierra guys. I heard of time machine, but will that back up all my information I have and so on. If so, I don't know how to set time machine in order to use it with my mac. Or Is there any other tools that you recommend I can use in order to back up my information of my mac computer better? On my Mac computer I have VM ware fusion running windows, and I hve my OS 10,and i use both of them for school assignments and so on. I'm just backing up my information just in case something could occur with my computer. In regards of Virtual machines they can also be back up in order not to lose information of it right? I wil really appreciate it a lot if you guys can give me any feedback about this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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