Kawal,
Memory is only a small part of the hardware. There is a great deal more under the hood that plays a part in what a new OS can support. Just as there are advances in hardware design, there are advances in the OS which can be backward compatible only so far.

But this does not mean we must buy new hardware if what we have performs to our expectations.

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On 10/1/2016 7:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
Hi.

Just catching up with the group e-mails.  I have a Mac Mini and I Mac but don't 
understand why a seven year old MacMini won't work with the latest Mac 
Operating system.  I thought as long as you have a working Mac then the new OS 
will work on anything providing that it has enough memory to run such as 4 to 
16 of RAM.

I also would not attack anyone just because they could not run the latest 
software as it is what we can afford asthe hard ware goes.  These quality 
machines are expensive, much so than windows.

Although both of my machines have 32 and 16 of RAM, once these machines have 
packed up, no idea if I'll be able to afford new machines as it depends if I'm 
still working.

Thanks.

Kawal.
On 30 Sep 2016, at 12:13, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry to hear that Ray. Bit of a bugger as we would say in this part of the 
world. As was said by Tim, I think, in an earlier post, you have a good robust 
device there that should run for years. I shall certainly continue to use this 
little Mini for at least the next two or three years if it continues to play 
ball.

At that time, perhaps, I shall invest in the cheapest off-the shelf portable 
Mac that will fulfil my needs. Being able to read emails and access the web 
covers most, if not all, my needs most of the time.

By the way Ray, are you really barefooted. Could hunt you up an old pair of 
shoes at this end if it would help.
All the best.
Martin
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 8:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: It's not good to believe everything you hear

Wow, Martin, I saved your message to my Mac.  There’s a good long article in 
that contribution I know there is.  You really could do it if you wanted to.

I too cannot upgrade to Sierra because this here mid 2009 Mac book pro just 
will not take it.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!!!!!

On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Martin Brown <mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> wrote:

I quite honestly think that some people don't read their emails before
responding. Nowhere in my email did I say that Apple was forcing me to
upgrade to Sierra. The point is that I can't do so even if I
desperately wanted to without buying a new machine. Indeed, I don't
agree with something being forced upon anyone. I feel the reference
here is towards Microsoft and Windows 10. Believe me I am no fan of such an 
approach.

However, here is an interesting point. I am running a 5-year-old
desktop custom built machine. It has 8GB of RAM and a 1TB hard drive.
Despite the speck remaining the same in every sense, including the
CPU, Windows 10 is much faster than Windows 7 ever was on this machine.

So, please feel free to lambast Microsoft. Times they deserve it,
times they don't. I do not feel protective towards any provider of
either goods or services. It is simply a financial transaction between them and 
myself.
Long gone is the day when providers cared anything about their
customers, and as far as I am concerned, the feeling is mutual.

Despite that however, I strongly feel that people should pay for the
goods and services they receive. This is equally true when the goods
are licenced software. There are those who feel it is fine to share
such products with friends and family members in breach of very clear
guidelines to the contrary, but the less said about that the better.
Thank goodness none of my friends subscribe to this list.

Another responder points out that my Mini is, and will probably
continue to function using El Capitan for a long time. I have no doubt
of that and I have said as much myself. Macs are built too last. It
defeats the purpose however if the hardware cannot be upgraded to
match the needs of the software, at least to some degree, without buying a new 
machine.

Here is something in my appalling ignorance that escapes me. I have a
friend who bought a Mini at the same time as myself. An off the shelf
Mac Mini in late 2009 had a speck of 1GB of RAM and a 128GB hard
drive. He decided to double the Ram to 2GB and stay with the same size
hard drive. I, on the other hand, decided on 4GB of RAM and a 500GB
hard drive. As you can imagine the price difference was significant.
Now, here is the point. He is also running El Capitan with absolutely
no performance difference to my own machine. Like myself, he cannot
upgrade to Sierra, but as we have both light-heartedly laughed, he has
only been half as well screwed as I myself have.

So, do chill out friends. The sun still shines and the world continues
to revolve. An almost pathological adherence to any one supplier over
another cannot be a good thing. Apple produce a great product with
great built-in accessibility. The weakness in their model from a
consumer's perspective is that they provide both the hardware and the
software. Although this has many benefits, it is not an ideal
situation in one crucial area. Namely, it is not financially to their
advantage to support hardware beyond a short time frame. Microsoft
will be just as bad in this respect now that they have also got into
the hardware game. Because of that, under no circumstances, will I
purchase any of their hardware. They will use the same old flannel to
encourage their customers to buy the latest offering so that their
well-heeled shareholders can buy a bigger and better yacht than their
equally well-heeled neighbours. I have a rule that I always follow
when assimilating any information coming from a source that has a financial 
interest in that information. Don't believe everything they tell you.
Indeed, only believe a small fraction of what they tell you, and you
can't go wrong.
Kind Regards:
Martin

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