I could use 32 GB today to run more virtual machines at the same time. I’d
like to be able to run 20 at a time or more.
I would think a lot of film editors and other people would have a use
for it.
What I found most interesting about the article is how similar the chips are
even I5 and I7. I suspect they are all the same chip just different grades,
one that grades a little better is pushed up the line and so forth. The chip
game is a very interesting and in some ways difficult to understand game on
that level.
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper
> prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16
> GB of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do
> something that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
> Mary
>
>
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao <kevincha...@gmail.com
> <mailto:kevincha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a
>> limitation, I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks
>> like Intel, not Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of
>> the limitations.
>> Mary
>> Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM
>> issues in new MacBook Pro
>> AppleInsider
>>
>> The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified,
>> clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like limited
>> Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
>>
>>
>>
>> After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation
>> began about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple
>> made, which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some
>> choices, many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has placed
>> on the company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.
>>
>> Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro
>>
>> The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified
>> as the 6360U processor. The 6360U launched
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/91156/Intel-Core-i5-6360U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz>
>> in the third quarter of 2015, using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest
>> of the processors in the new MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency
>> of 3.1 GHz.
>>
>> Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core
>> processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.
>>
>> An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4
>> GHz i7 6567U
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/91167/Intel-Core-i7-6567U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz>
>> processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 28W.
>>
>> 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models
>>
>> The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model
>> has a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz
>> dual i5 6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the
>> dual-Thunderbolt version.
>>
>> The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 GHz
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/91166/Intel-Core-i5-6267U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz>,
>> and has a thermal design power of 28W. An upgrade to the 6287U dual i5
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/91164/Intel-Core-i5-6287U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz>
>> will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal
>> design power as the other upgrade processors.
>>
>> 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt
>>
>> The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also has a choice of three
>> processors —the 6700HQ
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/88967/Intel-Core-i7-6700HQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_50-GHz>
>> 2.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz 6820HQ
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/88970/Intel-Core-i7-6820HQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz>,
>> and 2.9 GHz 6920HQ
>> <http://ark.intel.com/products/88972/Intel-Core-i7-6920HQ-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz>.
>> Peak turbo speeds are 3.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, and 3.8 GHz, respectively.
>>
>> All three of the quad-core processors have a 45-watt thermal design power,
>> and 16 PCI-e lanes.
>>
>> Implications of Skylake in the MacBook Pro
>>
>> All three of the quad-core processors available in the new 15-inch MacBook
>> Pro have 16 PCI-e lanes, which is what allows for for max Thunderbolt
>> bandwidth on the 15-inch model. Related, the 12 lanes on the 13-inch models
>> are responsible for the "reduced bandwidth
>> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/29/two-of-four-thunderbolt-3-ports-in-new-13-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-have-reduced-speeds>"
>> on the right-hand side ports on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.
>>
>> Additionally, the quad-core Kaby Lake processor still having not seen the
>> light of day has caused other problems that are being attributed to Apple,
>> and not as having been foisted upon the company by Intel. For low power
>> consumption, Skylake only supports LPDDR3, which is limited to 16 gigabytes.
>>
>> LPDDR4 will not be supported in MacBook Pro-bound Kaby Lake quad-core
>> processors until possibly the end of 2017, and perhaps later.
>>
>> macOS isn't the limiting factor, and hasn't been for some time. While Apple
>> chose to not implement other technologies to boost the RAM capabilities of
>> the MacBook Pro, it chose to not do so, in the interest of a thinner machine
>> than previous generations, and longer battery life than it would have had
>> had it implemented non-LP RAM workarounds.
>>
>> Apple's statement that other RAM choices allowing for 32 gigabytes of RAM or
>> more would cause decreased battery life is accurate, if not quite specific.
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Article:
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/31/intels-chip-design-not-apples-choices-reason-behind-thunderbolt-3-ram-issues-in-new-macbook-pro
>>
>> <http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/31/intels-chip-design-not-apples-choices-reason-behind-thunderbolt-3-ram-issues-in-new-macbook-pro>
>>
>>
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