If people know the difference between closed beta and public beta
and respect the NDA for closed betas, no problem!
The OP did not make that distinction clear in her post. Having done
so would have resolved any concerns. Fair enough?
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On 12/6/2016 2:31 PM, John Panarese wrote:
Hi Mary,
No, I have no problems with people in Public Betas who want to present
accessibility warnings. I just don’t want people talking about closed
betas or providing information that Apple has explicitly desired not to
be discussed. If mainstream writers are writing about betas in publicly
available articles, I don’t think we are breaking any rules here.
Hopefully, accessibility will deal with this before the 10.2 Beta is
actually released to everyone.
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On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well I haven't heard John say he's against this kind of post, so I'm
taking my chances. The problem is with the two finger flick up when
you have opened a message. It now behaves like the iPad, that is, it
reads a whole lot of extra stuff that you don't need or want to hear,
the to field, the from field, but time, the subject, and finally the
words "message body". It does all that before it reads the text of the
message you want to hear. iPads have been doing this since the
inception of iOS 10. But the iPhone has been good until somewhere in
the 10.2 beta cycle. Now it's not good. If you read as much email as I
do, this is a righteous pain in the eye won't say where.
Mary
PS, I have reported it before for the iPad and now for the phone, and
I know others have reported it for the iPad, and they still haven't
fixed it of course.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Just post the problem so we can all post our concerns to Apple if we
agree. I haven’t run in to a problem so it would also be good to see
if it’s universal or not. If you’re not comfortable, write off list
and I’ll post it at least where we shouldn’t have objection.
On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com
<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree with you, Scott. But since the list admin of at least one of
the lists which I have posted has explicitly stated that they do not
want such discussions on list, I felt the only thing I could do was
say that there is a problem, and people should wait until the final
comes out, hear what the problem is and decide for themselves if
they can live with it. I don't know what else to do.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I couldn’t disagree more strongly.
When our access is concerned and someone wants to raise concerns I
think it’s critical that they do so and this is the public beta. I
actually called Apple and was told that discussions like these were
permitted. Also consider that Redmondpie gives an update to date
feature and change release publicly for each beta release meaning
there is no legal concern and I have confirmation right from the
horses mouth. We need to discuss this openly in as many forums as
possible so that suitable notification and public reaction to
problems can be generated.
On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:58 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
Can't we keep this off list 100%? If 10.2 is still in beta then
its off topic, yes? Where is that discussion group for beta testers?
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On 12/6/2016 9:52 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Well, I did confirm off list with another beta user who is having
the same issue I am having. So I know it isn't just me, running
beta six on an iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe this issue doesn't bother you
as much as it does me. And this other user.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not had any issues with mail on 10.2 on the 7+ running
Beta 6 of the 10.2 train.
On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
If you are a heavy user of the iPhone mail app, don't rush to
upgrade to 10.2 if you are not already in the beta program.
Since I suppose were not supposed to say what is the problem on
some of these lists, I won't. Just saying, don't do it before
you hear about the problem if it doesn't get fixed.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
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