Because we live in a free society.:)
During the founding of our country a thing called the bill of rights was
included in the constitution. The first 10 amendments are what constitutes the
original bill of rights. These were listed in relative order of importance
with the first amendment representing freedom of expression and speech, the
second is the right to bare arms and represents that right for both the
individual groups. We have guaranties of reasonable search and seizure, the
right to be protected from self incrimination, the right to due process and so
on and so forth. You have no such protection so your governments can make
things like gun ownership impossible. Here we have what the founders would
have called a God given or natural right to these things. (Before the
christians get out of hand, this was a reference to God in the sense of nature
and an over all grand architect of the universe, not a specific invisible man
in the sky). The rights are inherent in nature and can not be taken away by the
government is the proper interpretation.
Later on this document was amended further to add things like being
born on American soil grants you citizenship, we undid a horrible wrong and
granted equal treatment under the law to all people regardless of race as a
result of slavery which is a shameful stain on our history but one we must deal
with head on and was addressed in our constitution, we have an amendment that
was added to prohibit alcohol consumption and one later (the 21st amendment)
that undid prohibition. (You think we would have learned from this instead of
started the damn drug war). The later amendments were more corrections of
wrongs in our history like granting women the right to vote which is another
result of a shameful part of our history but luckily there is a procedure to
update the document and fix these things. To do this the legislature has to
approve the amendment by 2/3rds majority and it needs to be ratified by 3
quarters of the states or 38 I believe in our case today.
Different countries have differing versions of this, some for example
have amendments where racism is unlawful (I like that) or different voting
characteristics and such. Ours were generated as a result of the revolution
originally and freeing our selves from British Rule. Britain would force us to
disarm under certain conditions, tax us with out representation (tea parties
and all) and force us to house British Soldiers (no quarter). Our fore fathers
rejected the idea of a monarchy and our rules of governance all originate from
these early documents, primarily our constitution.
The gun thing gets much more complicated because laws have been past
since that limit certain classes or for example require certain background
checks. When I buy an automatic weapon (machine gun) for example I have to go
through a process with our Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms where a
background check takes place and an official transfer from own owner to another
takes place. With out a lot of special paperwork I can only buy automatic
weapons from pre April of 1986 when additional limitations were placed. Other
what they call destructive devices are similarly regulated like rocket
launchers, grenade launchers and automatic shotguns. However, the basic right
to own most classes of weapons has been upheld time and time again. Even
states and cities attempts to subvert the constitution have been thankfully
overturned in our courts.
This is probably to much of a Civics lesson for this list and certainly
probably of little interest to folks in other countries so I’ll end it here.
If you have any further questions about the way we do things feel free to ping
me off list so we don’t upset the list members.
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 11:51 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Late in on this one.
>
> How the hell do you guys get to not only carry but actually get fire arms?
>
> We've got pretty strict laws here for owning firearms
> Mind you to have a hand gun here you have to be a member of a club and
> certified to own no such thing as carry, that will get you time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2016 5:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Anti Theft Measures
>
> Hi Scott,
> How did you get around the training course for the concealed cary permit?
> I've been considering one.
> Also the "judge" is the exact piece I was looking at!
> The 410 was my first small game pump at 12 years old.
> PS I'd rather sell the "junk" electronics to a progressive than shoot it!
> Talk soon
> Chuck
>
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
>> I’m registered for conceal carry and the permit I have is recognized in 34
>> states, same with my assistant so as long as I’m in the right state I’m
>> covered.;)
>>
>> I didn’t pay for any lookout features because at the time there was a deal
>> with T-Mobile to cover the cost when you bought a Samsung S5, this was the
>> 2013 time frame. I ended up shooting the phone it was so bad at the local
>> rod and gun club and went back to the iPhone which had it’s bugs fixed which
>> pushed me to android the first time around. I’ll be trying Android out at
>> the end of this week again and have a fresh box of ammunition ready in case
>> the Pixel isn’t any better although I suspect it will be. I’ll film it this
>> time if it ends up a target though.
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 9:08 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not unless your home goes with you everywhere. Then that level of
>>> protection might be prudent. (smiles)
>>>
>>> Did you pay for any in app upgrades for Lookout? And what about the Mac?
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2016 6:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> I use a Judge pistol that shoots both 410 shotgun shells and 454 magnum
>>>> rounds for theft protection but I think that’s not exactly what you had in
>>>> mind.:). Oh and my assistant carries a Glock 21.
>>>>
>>>> On the software side though, lookout is pretty good. It takes a picture
>>>> of who ever is shutting down the phone and reports it’s location. Also
>>>> has some nice white features. I had good success with this on the
>>>> android side of the house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 12:15 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> While browsing information about Find My Phone / Find My Mac, an app
>>>>> called iLostFinder caught my eye. Its a jailbreak app. It claims, among
>>>>> other things, to prevent the thief from turning the phone off so if Find
>>>>> My Phone is enabled, it will keep tracking.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to have Lookout installed a long time ago and it appears to have
>>>>> been improved so may install it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are probably such apps for the Mac too and I am aware that one
>>>>> could use a firmware password and FileVailt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Might be a lengthy discussion but let's see if there are some real
>>>>> options for recovery/protection of these devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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