Wow, Ilkka, that feature of shake for bus stops had passed me by unnoticed. It's brilliant!! Thanks Harry
> On 3 Mar 2017, at 15:56, Ilkka Pirttimaa <ilkka.pirtti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Harry, did you know that BlindSquare supports super cool public transport > support in UK. You may want to go to Other/Settings to check if your shake > settings include Public Transport. > > Best, Ilkka > >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Harry Bell <ubupanora...@icloud.com> wrote: >> Jonathan >> Your post was so helpful! I have stressed a lot, trying to find out what >> I've been doing wrong to make one app or the other so inaccurate!! Perhaps I >> will be able to chill a bit more and wait for better satellites to provide >> gps here in the U.K.! >> So far BlindSquare seems slightly more accurate in announcing destinations >> than Nearby Explorer - and certainly better at searching for a pub or >> building which can then be found reliably. But that may just be Foursquare >> being more accurate than google places in York where I live in the U.K. >> Harry >> >>> On 3 Mar 2017, at 14:02, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Actually, I am nt sure the issues with accuracy in most cases is the limits >>> of the GPS receivers especially since iPhone's use WiFi as additional >>> triangulation information as much as the OI databases. Since POI databases >>> seem to have street addresses rather than actual lat/long coordinates, and >>> since the GIS databases often just give ranges of addresses in a block >>> there is a significant error rate. My parents home had the largest address >>> on the block which ended in 32, but some GPS systems suggested it was an >>> address that ended in 52 and that the address ending in 32 was 300 yards >>> down the street. Google until last year thought my house was around the >>> corner on a differentt street. So my hope would be that the checkin process >>> that Square requires would in well visited areas cause the database to be >>> more accurate. >>> >>> I remember 5 years ago when I first got Sendaro on my Windows phone, >>> walking around in circles for 15 minutes because the restaurant I was >>> looking for was always 100 yards away. I tend to find that happens less >>> often with my iPhone, if it brings me to the wrong address it pretty much >>> insists on that location and does not wander around, except for when I am >>> near a body of water. >>> >>> So the question to get back to the original subject is do people find that >>> they have less stress finding a location using one of the three blind >>> oriented iPhone solutions over using a more main stream product? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2017, at 2:01 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, the blindness specific apps are subject to the current limitations of >>>> GPS, just like the lower cost alternatives. That said, EU's GPS system >>>> will be coming online fairly soon. With both systems working in concert, >>>> expected GPS accuracy is predicted to significantly increase to an average >>>> of one metre, rather than the current best of three metres which is >>>> occasionally obtained from the US system on a perfect day. Note: inclimate >>>> weather will always significantly reduce GPS as long as current >>>> technologies are being used. This has to do with how radio waves and >>>> atmospheric conditions interact, amongst other factors. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 16:37, Jonathan C. Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have been putting off purchasing either of these apps. I was ready to >>>>> purchase BlindSquared when Nearby Explorer was first demonstrated, and i >>>>> have been debating if the bus time announcements were worth the cost of >>>>> Nearby Explorer. >>>>> >>>>> The major GPS issues i have with the low cost solutions I currently use >>>>> is for the last few yards and i am not sure either of these Apps will >>>>> help. Examples are is my bus stop here or at the next pole? Or when there >>>>> are six bus stops clustered near a train stop. Or thirdly where is the >>>>> front of the building i just walked ten blocks to. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 4:15 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> For bus / train public transit, I very strongly encourage trying an app >>>>>> called moovit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Moovit is the only public transit app I have used which automatically, >>>>>> and consistently, announces the stop where I need to get off the bus >>>>>> just before the stop. It gives a couple announcements, one from a couple >>>>>> hundred metres before (at the previous bus stop (so one can trigger the >>>>>> stop request signal), and one when it is time to get off the bus. These >>>>>> announcements occur when the live route tracking is active. The walking >>>>>> between bus stops, to the first bus stop, and to the final destination, >>>>>> is not very good for the blind pedestrian, but the actual bus and train >>>>>> travel announcements are better than any other app I have used. >>>>>> >>>>>> Between bus stops, and to my destination, I usually use Apple Maps. My >>>>>> fiancé, on the other hand, prefers Google Maps. She is sighted, and >>>>>> finds its visual layout to be much more appealing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/03/2017, at 03:40, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The answer to your question really depends on how you plan to use GPS. >>>>>>> When you travel, do you walk or mostly ride in vehicles? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you walk, are you interested in planning routes to places or just >>>>>>> hearing the street names as you go? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you ride, are you usually the navigator for a driver or are you >>>>>>> taking public transit? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> both apps handle all of these tasks well but if you really want to plan >>>>>>> routes or look around easily virtually, I’d suggest spending the money >>>>>>> on Nearby Explorer. It does take up over 4gb on the phone but maps are >>>>>>> available when you don’t have coverage which is nice. If you ever >>>>>>> worked with the Trekker in its original form, this app is as close to >>>>>>> its supreme functionality and easy learning curve as anything I’ve >>>>>>> seen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That said, if money is an issue and you just want to hear intersecting >>>>>>> streets and POIs, BlindSquare is great. It does much more but is a bit >>>>>>> more technical or involved in how it gets you there. It does not do >>>>>>> route planning in advance unless going through another app like Maps, >>>>>>> Google Maps or Seeing eye GPS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As always, just my opinions here. Your mileage will no doubt vary. >>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now that we're moving back to a real city--at least relatively >>>>>>>> speaking--I'm thinking about using my phone a little more for GPS and >>>>>>>> related tasks. I'm thinking about nearby explorer, but it comes with >>>>>>>> a pretty hefty price tag. Does it offer any significant advantages >>>>>>>> over Blind Square? >>>>>>>> TIA, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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