Hi Anne, Why do you think this is?
I can understand different countries having different governmental services or different companies having different attitudes but groups with in the same company seems odd. What do you think the source of the problem is? Also, I remember you were saying you weren’t well and had medical issues some time back, I sincerely hope you’re doing well and the same for your family. Thanks > On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk> wrote: > > The sad thing about Apple is that it depends on the country you live in as to > whether Apple employs blind people or cares about us. > Here in France, Apple France refuses to communicate with organisations for > the blind, and has steadfastly ignored my offers to help train their geniuses > in the use of VoiceOver ever since the first AppleStore opened in Paris > several years ago. > I try to ensure that blind people buying new Macs here know to point anyone > configuring their new machines to my website for helpful information, but I > still hear horror stories. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > >> On 24 Mar 2017, at 17:49, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Apple does view us that way. There are several blind engineers at Apple >> some on this list in fact. There are also blind employees at the retail >> stores. I have never seen a blind person in a large scale retail setting. >> Small businesses yes but never working at Starbucks to use your example. >> There are many companies though that are pretty open minded. Juniper >> Networks, Cisco, IBM, Verizon Wireless, L. L. Bean, just to name a few who >> have been very good to me and or I know of other blind people working there. >> Cisco has several as does Apple and IBM has been hiring blind programmers >> and engineers for decades. >> >> There out there and while there are knuckleheads out there let’s also >> remember there’s a lot of good forward thinking people out there as well. >> >> >>> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:24 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: >>> >>> And on that every country has it's different rules and then for the likes >>> of the USA different states or terratorys have different rules again, >>> >>> I'd love the likes of starbucks or apple especially to view us in the world >>> of the blind / visually impaired as having the ability to work. >>> >>> There are a lot of very able bodied people out there in the world that have >>> a disability >>> I had to fight against sighted people to get my permanent job position, >>> >>> My overall knowledge only just made that possible. >>> >>> Yet I can't get the company I work for to make a web based app accessible >>> >>> I would say that more people even if they have no plans to go seaking work >>> / employment should still put their hands up to fight, >>> >>> >>> A collective agreement is generally more powerfull than an individual >>> agreement. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T. >>> Sent: Friday, 24 March 2017 5:11 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Let's Use Social Media to Advocate for The Visually Impaired >>> >>> Let me add some flour and yeast to the mix also. >>> >>> Ours is not a very cohesive society. Its extremely fragmented on many >>> levels. I won't go into the politics of it, just that its unfortunate that >>> all the various pieces have to practice their own advocacy to achieve the >>> same goal. As far as those with disabilities, while the ADA was a necessary >>> instrument whose aim is to level the playing field, it has not made society >>> inclusive thus the ongoing battles and skirmishes since its inception when >>> it was passed 27 years ago. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>> On 3/23/2017 8:07 PM, Michelle's Home Emails wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Michelle here, >>>> >>>> What about the Deafblind community who gets very easily over looked during >>>> these conversations. >>>> >>>> Also there is a huge difference between a person who is vision impaired >>>> and person like myself who is totally blind and profoundly deaf with only >>>> light perception. >>>> >>>> Had to put this in the mix. >>>> >>>> Michelle Stevens >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 24 Mar 2017, at 11:36 am, Arthur Gindin <ryoanji....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I agree. >>>>> >>>>> We raise a blind child who also has the gifts of a talented musician. >>>>> Unfortunately, the cause of her blindness has also caused other problems >>>>> e.g. gait, use of only 5 fingers etc. We encourage her to make use of >>>>> her talents. Unfortunately the abuse she gets from the ISD and the >>>>> overwhelming high school homework leaves her little time to compose inter >>>>> alia. >>>>> >>>>> Ag >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> mark, >>>>>> I wish to interject something I feel you and those of you who resonate >>>>>> with this effort should consider. >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking only for myself I feel one reason why it can be challenging to >>>>>> instigate impact is the way you discuss the experience of sight loss as >>>>>> if it is totally and absolutely the opposite of sight, speak of the >>>>>> what 400 million people on the planet estimated to be living with sight >>>>>> loss as if they are the same / interchangeable with each other, and >>>>>> make no effort to establish frames of reference for the people you want >>>>>> to reach. >>>>>> Frankly I feel it is just as important for visible diverse and positive >>>>>> images of individuals living with sight loss to appear in popular >>>>>> culture as it is to create employment. >>>>>> Because if people simply work with the dictionary that says blind / >>>>>> sighted, they are going to be what they are...very confused. >>>>>> To suggest that individual uniqueness never exists, or goes out of the >>>>>> window when scores on an eye chart differ is counterproductive. >>>>>> Speaking only for myself, I feel this is part of why there are so few >>>>>> tools in the first place. why does one need several ways to do a task, >>>>>> if "the blind," are spoken of so uniformly as if there are a composite >>>>>> whole? >>>>>> Seek a place in society yes, but demonstrate that you have earned that >>>>>> place. By your talent, your uniqueness, and what you share with the rest >>>>>> of humanity. You matter because you exist, equally able to fortify the >>>>>> fabric of society, individually with what makes you special, >>>>>> collectively with what gives you the chance to view the world >>>>>> differently. >>>>>> Off my soapbox now, smiles. >>>>>> kare >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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