Hi Alex,

Yeah I still find it odd but I really have to say it's not as bad as people 
might think,

 For a start it was crap as I couldn't get it to work for me.

 Now although it's only been 24 hours I've pretty much got it 

 It's a case of tap on the screen to wake the device then slide firmly one 
finger up from the botton edge of the screen until you feel a vibration under 
finger and then it will have woken enough to either enter the pin code or use 
face id.

 Still as I haven't yet setup face id  yet so that's a weekend job as the light 
wasn't in my favour lastnight.

Still lots more hopefully to come on the x.

-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2017 6:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: it's here, the X

My main question for blind iPhone X users is about the home button. I've seen 
some real negativity on Twitter about the decision to remove the home button, 
but have not come across any such negativity in the real world. How do users 
like the change? The Touch Bar on the MacBook, for instance, is plenty usable 
but often less efficient than physical keys are. Or is it more like the 
two-finger gesture on iPad under iOS11, which makes accessing apps faster and 
more fluid, at least to me? Or is it something else entirely?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:12, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Microsoft is in another dimension. I did forget OS X 10.9 which was 
> Mavericks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>> On 11/15/2017 8:39 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Yes, that’s true. Different reasons for Microsoft, I think, but same result. 
>> But your points are valid.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, 
>> Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services for the Blind
>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:37 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Don't think so. Remember, this IS the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. 
>>> Also remember, Apple did not skip iOS 9.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your 
>>> mind off  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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>>>> On 11/15/2017 8:33 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>>>> My guess is that technology companies don’t like the number nine. Ten is 
>>>> just too exciting to wait for. Microsoft did this too.
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> Assistive Technology Instructor in Training JAWS, Microsoft 
>>>> Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World Services 
>>>> for the Blind
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 7:19 AM, Sharon Hooley <shoole...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:shoole...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder why Apple released iPhone 8 and then jumped to ten soon after?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2017, at 3:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>> So today I received notification from my mobile provider that my 
>>>>>> iPhone X had arrived, And quite frankly it’s like being on a 
>>>>>> first date, I’m kind of concerned  about touching it in case I do 
>>>>>> something wrong, I will say that setting up the device out of the 
>>>>>> box and using iCloud backups  doesn’t work when your back ups are 
>>>>>> on IOS Public beta versions, and the new device was IOS 11 
>>>>>> production release… A bit of playing allowed me to reset the device back 
>>>>>> to the factory start point and run through without an issue So far after 
>>>>>> playing around for an hour or so, I’m actually really impressed with 
>>>>>> what they have done, Once you get passed the fact there is no home 
>>>>>> button it’s actually easy to work with the slide finger up to get the 
>>>>>> app switcher and home screens.
>>>>>> The device is very quick, and although smaller physically it’s 
>>>>>> stil got great screen realestate to work with, So I’d say so far 
>>>>>> it’s been worth the wait but still more playing around to come over the 
>>>>>> next couple of days At least the iPhone x doesn’t slap me if I put my 
>>>>>> hand in the wrong place.
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