Hi Donna & mary,

 Yes in a way 
I personally think it comes down to the fact there is no one at apple now with 
the innovation that steve jobs had.

Therefore they are stuck in a groove  
They're worrying  more about sales rather than their previous quality of 
product and the future  of the products they ar releasing 

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On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017 3:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seventh Heaven Apples, Anyone?

Hi Mary,

Yep, I hear you. I feel like a lot of the changes Apple has been making lately 
are due to a perceived coolness factor, rather than to actual improvements in 
the user experience.  I would say that about the removal of the home button, 
and also the move to a touch bar on the MBPs.  The touch bar is OK, it's kind 
of cool that it can be contextualized, but honestly, the function keys were 
faster.  I'd write that off as a blindness thing, but I've read a number of 
reviews by sighted folks who aren't all that enamored with the touch bar either.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:06 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’m with you, Donna. I’m keeping my 7+, even though the size of the X does 
> appeal to me. I don’t need Face ID. If anything, next year, I will probably 
> buy an 8+ if I buy anything. That should give me a few more years with my 
> home button which I like. And my touch ID which I also like. I know it isn’t 
> the latest and greatest and I don’t care.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2017, at 4:46 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> You know, I totally get why this is the case.  I've always been one who 
>> wanted the latest and greatest iPhone, but I've decided to sit this year out 
>> and hang on to my iPhone 7.  There are several reasons for this decision.  
>> the 8 just doesn't feel like much of a step up, so there doesn't seem much 
>> point.  As for the X, first off, the price is ridiculous. Though I'm curious 
>> about face  ID, I don't feel like I absolutely have to have it.  I also like 
>> having a home button, and would prefer not to give that up until I have to, 
>> and yes, I suppose that within a year or two I will have to.  Finally, my 
>> hunch is that the phone that Apple releases next year (10S?) will be an 
>> improved version of the X, with many of the rough edges smoothed out, and 
>> probably a bit more speed, if Apple's past history is predictive here.  I'm 
>> also betting that once this model and it's technology are no longer new, the 
>> price will drop significantly.
>> 
>> Just curious, after the 7, what was the most common answer?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 9:07 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Today, Friday, November 24, 2017 is/was Black Friday, here in the 
>>> US.  This is the busiest shopping day of the year, for us.
>>> 
>>> As it turned out, I went to two very large shopping centers today, 
>>> each having an Apple Store.
>>> 
>>> At both locations, I was stunned to see so, so many people in lines, 
>>> outside the stores, waiting to buy new iPhones. There were lines for 
>>> other devices, also but the iPhone lines were definitely the longest.
>>> 
>>> As I passed by the lines, I decided to query some of the people to 
>>> see which phone they were going to purchase.
>>> 
>>> It was strange, I only had to walk up to one or two people before 
>>> everyone else began volunteering their choices.  Now that I think 
>>> about it, these stores were near Hollywood and, no doubt, some of 
>>> the people thought we were preparing for some kind of a camera shoot 
>>> or something.  Everyone in these areas of town wants to be, "discovered," 
>>> as it were.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> Now that I think about it, the last time I waited in line to 
>>> purchase an iPhone, some years back, I was interviewed by a local 
>>> news crew so, such things can and do happen here.  (smile).
>>> 
>>> But I digress.
>>> 
>>> The reason I am posting this little vignette is to express my 
>>> surprise at how many people were choosing to buy iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
>>> models.  I probably spoke to about 150 people, both locations 
>>> included, and I'd estimate that at least one-third of them were heading to 
>>> iPhone 7th heaven.
>>> 
>>> The iPHone 7 series is alive and well with Apple orchards, everywhere.
>>> (smile)
>>> 
>>> Mark
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