Another display coming out is the BrailleMe.
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:55:38 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Braille Displays They're actually big enough to do what they say, that is true. But can and will aren't the same thing. For your sake, though, I hope that they do. You know, when I was using HIMS products, I always had very good customer service from them. But that's been a few years now. I haven't really followed what's going on, but I've heard that things have changed there. Cheers, Donna > On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, one of the advantages of a company like vfo is you figure they’re > actually going to do what they say. Smaller companies have problems. Look at > what happened to Baum. I am sure they’re going to come out with that > functionality with the braille note taking. The fact that you can’t do > wireless transfers is a drag. And I have not heard them say that this is in > the plan. On the other hand the handitechdistribution in the United States is > now handled through hims. So you got the braille edge and now these high > priced handitechdisplays. And you sort of wonder how long that is going to > hold up. Hims is a big company, but I’ve heard enough stuff about Customer > Service in the US that would make me think twice or three times before I went > that way. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 29, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> this is just my opinion, of course, but I would never by anything as >> expensive as a braille display on the promise that a feature will be >> implemented in the future. Many of us--or at least I--have gotten burned >> that way. 😊 >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> As of now, the focus only has a Calendar and o’clock, but note taking >>> ability is coming they say, currently under testing and do for release this >>> year. Unfortunately, at least as I understand it, the way to get notes you >>> take off of the display and onto your other devices is via an SD card. In >>> other words, no direct connectivity for transferring things. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The focus used to be dumb. So far as I know, it still is, but I haven't >>>> paid much attention to it so I could be wrong. >>>> Donna >>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 12:32 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Donna, >>>>> I am absorbing way too much on a Sunday. (smiles) >>>>> >>>>> Oh I agree about having to use the SD card for the Edge. >>>>> >>>>> This brings up a question. Is there such a thing as a dumb braille >>>>> display these days? One that is strictly a display? That I want to stay >>>>> away from. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>> >>>>>> On 4/29/2018 10:21 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> Hi ET, >>>>>> Well, others have answered your first question. 😊 >>>>>> Like I said, the two things I most care about are word processor and >>>>>> file manager. All the social media stuff and all that that the Braille >>>>>> Sense devices have has little appeal, as I do that from my phone or Mac. >>>>>> I guess the three things that bug me most about the Edge are: the gross >>>>>> under utilization of the function keys, the bulky size--admittedly I am >>>>>> probably spoiled by the VU--and the fact that you have to use an SD card >>>>>> to transfer files. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:53 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>> Who actually develops the Focus line of products? Can you tell what >>>>>>> little I know? (smiles) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I do like about the Edge is its not loaded down. I have a >>>>>>> Brailesense Plus (dead now) and I barely used its features. Having a >>>>>>> Mac, I can do heavy work there, and an iPhone, for quick access to >>>>>>> basic things. I read a lot of braille books on the Edge, and want to >>>>>>> use the display for backup if something happens to my hearing. That is >>>>>>> why the concept of access to multiple Bluetooth devices is so >>>>>>> attractive now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I am focused on the Focus 5th (smiles at self here), I will take >>>>>>> a closer look at the other brands. If I had understood that new VUs is >>>>>>> not happening, I wold have spent more time with the other displays but >>>>>>> will have another opportunity. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/29/2018 9:33 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> Yep. Their last truly innovative product was the PacMate. That's >>>>>>>> been a brick for a long time now, and they haven't done anything since >>>>>>>> then--except eat other companies. >>>>>>>> One thing I would suggest as a factor for consideration is the >>>>>>>> notetaker component. I really like having a display that functions as >>>>>>>> an independent notetaker. I use that feature a lot, either just to >>>>>>>> jot down notes, or to read books when I don't want to be tied to a >>>>>>>> phone or a computer. I would never again purchase a braille display >>>>>>>> that didn't have a built-in word processor. I don't care about having >>>>>>>> a calendar and all that because I do all that on my phone. But having >>>>>>>> a word processor is non-negotiable for me. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:27 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>> This is actually a concern I have. It goes back to the time when >>>>>>>>> Freedom Scientific came to life and took over what, 3 companies, >>>>>>>>> including Blazie? But we do not have many choices in the AT field. >>>>>>>>> Yes I will certainly share my experiences. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2018 9:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ET, >>>>>>>>>> I'll be curious about your impressions of the Focus 5. VFO is what >>>>>>>>>> used to be Freedom Scientific. Time was when I was a huge fan of >>>>>>>>>> theirs, but that hasn't been the case for over ten years now. If >>>>>>>>>> you check out the new Focus, please do share your impressions with >>>>>>>>>> the list. >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:08 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mary, >>>>>>>>>>> I suppose I am out of touch with the AT business so am not up to >>>>>>>>>>> snuff on who markets what. VFO for example is new to me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I briefly looked at a display last week that has a touch screen. I >>>>>>>>>>> don't remember what brand that one is but I passed on it. But who >>>>>>>>>>> knows, maybe I will keep an open mind. The Focus 5th is now of >>>>>>>>>>> interest, got the user guide so will look at it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 6:16 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Baum USA was the distributor for the United States. So if you live >>>>>>>>>>>> in the US, you are out of luck unless you’re willing to buy a used >>>>>>>>>>>> display from someone. I assume the same might be true for Europe, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I wouldn’t want to say that for sure. This whole thing is sad, >>>>>>>>>>>> but it really depends on whether somebody is willing to pump more >>>>>>>>>>>> money into that company in order to make it viable. If I were >>>>>>>>>>>> buying up display now, I would not buy a baum display, no matter >>>>>>>>>>>> how good they are. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 5:59 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> ET, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So far as I know. I bought directly from them. For best info on >>>>>>>>>>>>> this I suggest you email David Bradburn. The only email I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> for him is dbradb...@baumusa.com <mailto:dbradb...@baumusa.com>. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, you could reach out to him on the VU list. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe he still reads it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 4:40 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean, Baum USA was the only vendor? That changes things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is indeed unfortunate. I will look into the new Focus and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> learn more. Appreciate your input. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 10:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ET, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot purchase them new. You would have to find someone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sell theres, which is why I suggested the VU list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 11:42 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mary and Jason, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good question on availability. I will need to look into that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The new Focus sounds interesting. In general how well has the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Focus line held up? That auto scroll feature is intriguing. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may see if I can get one to look at. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 9:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you even still purchase a v u? I didn’t think baum USA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is now out of business, even had any stock left. It’s a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great display with a big learning curve. I would really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously look at the new generation focus if I were you. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has multiple devices capability and will have some notetaking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capability later this year. A friend of mine just got one and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says it’s very well-built, and he really likes it a lot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 9:31 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good feedback. When I first got the Edge I was impressed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. But I think HIMS moves on rather too quickly and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legacy products pile up. I think the last update is from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no end to the learning curve so since you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anticipated my desire to join a VU list, I just joined! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like the multiple Bluetooth concept. I found the user >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide too so will go through it over the next week or so. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someone will take over Baum. If that happens, lets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope it does not decrease in quality of product and support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2018 5:59 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey ET, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently own both those displays--I replaced my Edge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the VU, and was never able to sell my Edge. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a really hard question to answer. Erik is right, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bankruptcy issue with Baum has real nightmare >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential. Currently David Bradburn is providing some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repair support, but he's doing it as a side-gig. The only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech support is the VU list. It's a lot of knowledgeable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and very helpful folks, but that's not the same as getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech support from the company. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, the VU is the best display I've ever owned. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille Edge frankly doesn't even come close. I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure what happened with the Edge. It has lots of coolness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> potential, but it's like HIMS started to develop it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then just stopped. It has all these function keys, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, but most of them don't do much. The apps are also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very limited. It has a sort of minimal word processor and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file manager, and a calculator, but it's all kind of like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you'd find on an old flip phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU has a nice word processor with separate file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager, a PDF reader, and an Excel spreadsheet viewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as Erik pointed out, can connect to multiple bluetooth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU also has by far the nicer form factor. It's funny, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the Edge came out it felt relatively small, but it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very heavy and blocky compared to the VU, which is small, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and light, and sleek. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The VU has a significantly higher learning curve, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't imagine that that would be an issue for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One last thing to think about is that with the Edge, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer files onto it with an SD card, which is pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dated. With the VU, you can transfer either via USB drive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or you can connect it directly to a PC, and it functions as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a stand-alone drive. Unfortunately, that feature does not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work on the Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, that's the sum of my wisdom on the subject. The VU is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by far the better display, but it depends on whether you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to get involved with the Baum situation. Were it me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd probably still go for the VU, it's just that much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better. But I can certainly understand someone not wanting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to take that risk. If you want to try and track down a VU, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest joining the list and asking there. The URL to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subscribe is: varioultra-reque...@freelists.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:varioultra-reque...@freelists.org>. Put Subscribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the subject line. If you have any other questions, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to try and answer them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 27, 2018, at 5:41 PM, E.T. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the opportunity to replace my Braille Edge. Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you will chime in. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can choose just about anything but will limit my choice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to either another Edge or the Vario Ultra 40. Given that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baum is in bankruptcy, the question is then what about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech support. 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You can reach mark >>>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
