Mr. Cohn,
Did you ask me on list for permission to write me privately before posting
your on list misstatements about my computing?
no.
I have no idea if your message was polite or not, I did not read it since
it came without respecting me or my inbox.
Your choosing to send communications without permission, after your on
list
behavior meant that the message was mine to do with as I wished..share it
where it belonged.
Further I directed here, as I tend to direct in general, individuals to
the w3c. their web access initiative drafts wacg 2.0 etc. Their take on
captcha is far more important for those seeking to navigate them than
anything I personally choose. I suggest you consult their varied
resources if you wish to understand why I am apposed to them.
As you still feel slighted after violating the integrity of my inbox
with a private
unsolicited e-mail after already making public comments, I will not
expect you, nor ask you to apologize for that. Had you not wanted your e-mail
whatever it said shared, then your conduct should have been most different
indeed in my opinion.
there is nothing further of benefit for this list regarding your efforts,
and I have zero interest in engaging with you privately based on your
illustrated lack of respect for me publicly.
I suggest you move on,
On Sun, 13 May 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Karen,
Since we are neither talking Macintosh or low vision access at this point,
the conversation is pretty much off topic. I was trying to understand your
point of view and attempting to ask you to help me appreciate why you have
on multiple times on multiple mailing lists gotten very defensive about the
web practice of using Captcha.
Your forwarding of my fairly polite personal message to the list was I
believe inappropriate, but I will not ask for an apology.
I do apologize for specifically calling you out as somebody who is not a
person who has taken the Apple kool-aid. (Smile ) I do sincerely want to
indicate no harm was intended toward you so I had trouble determining how
to write this on a public forum that is searchable by billions of people.
On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:04 PM Karen Lewellen <klewel...@shellworld.net>
wrote:
Mr. Cohn,
The desire for understanding tends to be expressed prior to assumptions.
I have no desire nor inclination to satisfy your interest.
I dare say, since the list is where you started, this note was intended
for
there. I certainly did not express a wish to hear from you privately.
On Sat, 12 May 2018, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Hello Ms. Lewellen,
I use the Surname here in mirror to your remarks to me on the
MacVisionaries mailing list. My memory of your web browser of choice
isLynx. I am not aware if this is your only browser and if the reason you
use it is directly related to any disability. I do have the personal view
that properly designed ARIA widgets that use Javascript to modify the DOM
have made my access to complex web sites significantly easier. I used Lynx
briefly, but found myself leaning more toward using commercial screen
readers and standard web browsers as my vision decreased and support for
IBM's wonderful self voicing web browser disappeared.
Perhaps I mistaken about your web browsers of choice or perhaps I have
not understood why somebody would use Lynx for day to day browsing. A
Significant number of sites I visit and for that matter the systems I check
accessibility on professionally do not progressively degrade to a non
JavaScript environment and while 10 years ago I would often disable
JavaScript and Java plugins because of security concerns, today current
sandboxing technologies boast my confidence in the ability of browsers to
be more secure.
If you would like to provide feedback to the above thoughts I will
consider it carefully and use it to help my future design decisions.
Thanks for keeping the fires burning, I know you have done a lot for the
accessibility community.
Warmly,
Jonathan Cohn
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