Lol, no it isn't ET.
-----Original Message-----
From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 9:15 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the
Option key in edit fields
You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me know
which file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of
spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
On 7/3/2018 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem. I doubt I can cut and paste a
> system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra.
> Donna
>
>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder
>> window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the
>> date in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder or
>> file you want, just copy and paste it.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound
>> source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
>>
>> On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP. I just realized that I can't
>>> restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to
>>> High Sierra. So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my
>>> 2013 MacBook Air. It's old, but at least it works.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from
>>>> there find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch
>>>> between the Finder window and the TM controls.
>>>>
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound
>>>> source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
>>>>
>>>> On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Hey ET,
>>>>> I was looking at that article a few minutes ago. I can get to System
>>>>> Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date. In the
>>>>> article it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like
>>>>> that.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>> This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look
>>>>>> in the Restore section of the article.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a
>>>>>> profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>> Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date
>>>>>>>> preceding the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up
>>>>>>>> again, a clean install?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a
>>>>>>>> profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>> Just tried the two solutions you proposed below. Resetting VO prefs
>>>>>>>>> did not help, but creating a new user did. When I'm logged in as the
>>>>>>>>> other user, the Option key works perfectly. So now what do I do with
>>>>>>>>> that information?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds
>>>>>>>>>> to me like the option key and other aspects of your built-in
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard are fine from a hardware prospective. Thus, software is
>>>>>>>>>> likely the culprit. Before we do the drastic thing of a clean
>>>>>>>>>> install, let's try two things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if
>>>>>>>>>> they're causing any grief.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • open the VO Utility
>>>>>>>>>> • Up to the File menu.
>>>>>>>>>> • Down to Export.
>>>>>>>>>> • Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
>>>>>>>>>> • Press return.
>>>>>>>>>> • cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like
>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver Archive. This is a backup of your current VO settings
>>>>>>>>>> that we can easily put back in place if this doesn't help. Next, go
>>>>>>>>>> back into the VO Utility and go under the File menu, choose Reset
>>>>>>>>>> All Preferences and confirm. VO will revert back to its default
>>>>>>>>>> settings that Apple sends out with it. Try using the option key now
>>>>>>>>>> in text fields. If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the
>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and VO will return to the
>>>>>>>>>> normal way you had it set. Then we'll go to our second thing to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> • Open System Prefs.
>>>>>>>>>> • Open Users & Groups.
>>>>>>>>>> • Press the lock to unlock this pane.
>>>>>>>>>> • Press the Add user button
>>>>>>>>>> • Give the user a name and password.
>>>>>>>>>> • Click Create and let it do its work.
>>>>>>>>>> • Close System Prefs.
>>>>>>>>>> • Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
>>>>>>>>>> • Turn on VO
>>>>>>>>>> • Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in this
>>>>>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me know your results.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just tried it. The problem still exists using the external keyboard.
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Windows keyboard is fine. The only difference is usually the
>>>>>>>>>>> placement of the cmd and option keys. From the lower left of the
>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard, on the Mac keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, command
>>>>>>>>>>> then space. On the Windows keyboard, when connected to a Mac, at
>>>>>>>>>>> the lower left, it goes control, command, option, space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 06:29, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anne,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't. Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is a
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think the problem is the keyboard. This only happens when I'm in
>>>>>>>>>>> an editable field, email, documents and so on. For example, when
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading your message, the option key works just as expected.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's only when I go to reply to you--and thus have an edit field
>>>>>>>>>>> open, that it stops working.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to give regular Apple tech support a call this
>>>>>>>>>>> morning.
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:54 AM, Anne Robertson <a...@anarchie.org.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Donna,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether the
>>>>>>>>>>>> behaviour continues?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using the left. I have the right set for shortcuts for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening apps. I just tried using the right, and the result was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more questions. Are you using the left or right option key
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when trying this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to the basics. Are you interacting with the editable field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before trying to use option-arrow? Is QuickNav turned off?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. This is positively crazy!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more try.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. go to System Prefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Select the Keyboard pane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Press the OK button.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Close System Prefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try your text field stuff now. Again, let me know how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, it is frustrating! 😊
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either. Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you so much for all your effort on this, though. You've gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way beyond my knowledge base, so whatever the outcome, I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate your work on this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmph. That sucks. I hate it when things are not super easy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix. So, if you use the VO keys, then that tells me that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's nothing wrong with your Option key.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Go to the Finder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type the following command followed by the return key:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvram -c
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try things in text fields now. Let me know how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked. I use the standard VO keys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not Caps lock.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad. Make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure that Mouse keys is not enabled. If that doesn't help,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you use the VO keys, or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject line says it all. I just finished the upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to High Sierra. All went well, but I still cannot use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the option key to delete or navigate text when in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit field. *sigh* Donna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
>>>>>>>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn -
>>>>>>>> you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can
>>>>>> reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you
>>>>>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at:
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach
>>>> mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can
>>>> reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>>>
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>>
>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach
>> mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
>> Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
>>
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