Hi Simon. Yeah, that is pretty funny. Or they can just do command F5 to turn Voiceover off. :-) Jonathan that’s great you had someone sighted help out with this issue at work. I didn’t think a sighted user would know how to go to braille screen input or settings while Voiceover is still on. Katie
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > Hell, that's great, a person that knows how to use a phone with braille or > voiceover, > > My work colleagues can't even handle using computers without mice. > > I tried cutting mouse cables but they got grumpy and found new mice. > Voiceover and jaws just confuse some people, > I have to laugh at them when so called IT support staff can't click the x in > the top corner of a screen when Jaws is running, to turn it off. > > Life is such a laugh > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On > Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn > Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:41 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: missing onscreen keyboard on iPhone > > Well, thought it was resolved but it showed up again. My co-worker did > something counterintuitive that might have resolved things. Apparently old > bluetooth configurations can get stuck in the phone when you unpair the > device. He turned off onscreen keyboard in the Braille settings, and > restarted the phone. I’ll try things out a bit, and if it works I’ll get a > full write up of the procedure. I would not have even expected him to know > how to get to Braille settings on an iPhone, though he was the person in our > office who went to Hawaii board of education and helped get things set up for > their Blind students. > Jonathan Cohn > >> On Dec 17, 2018, at 2:59 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> If you mean braille screen input, who knows. I do not have that in mu >> rotor. This sure is perplexing. A total reset would indeed be the last >> resort but it might end up being the best solution. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >> true? >> >> On 12/17/2018 11:14 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>> Two points for ET though not directly, since I was on the phone with Apple. >>> I removed pairing of the Braille device, removed braille from the rotor, >>> turned off bluetooth and then powered down and powered up. >>> I am almost tempted to try and cause the reversal again to see if I can >>> simplify that reset process. I wonder if the fact that Braille was in the >>> rotor in addition to the braille display somehow confused VoiceOver into >>> reversing actions for the Braille connectivity. Though the support rep I >>> talked with said he had heard of some cases where the onscreen keyboard >>> would disappear when BlueTooth headphones are connected. >>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Forget the braille device or turn off Bluetooth? Did you try these? >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On 12/16/2018 4:57 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>>>> Well, I made a little progress. Essentially the onscreen keyboard toggle >>>>> now appears to be completely backward. When the Braille display is >>>>> connected to the iPhone 7, then the OnScreen keyboard is available but as >>>>> soon as I get out of range, turn off the keyboard, or otherwise disable >>>>> the Braille display, the OnScreen keyboard disappears. >>>>> I am very tempted to reset all settings, but then I would need to put my >>>>> credit cards back into Apple Pay. >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jonathan, >>>>>> I just had this happen today. It was very annoying. I have an external >>>>>> Bluetooth keyboard, and I thought maybe that was the problem. So I >>>>>> turned off Bluetooth. Rebooted the phone. No luck. I went into general >>>>>> settings keyboard and found out that for some reason I had three >>>>>> keyboards listed, two of which were United States English qwerty. I >>>>>> deleted one of those, rebooted the phone, and my keyboard returned. I >>>>>> don’t know why it listed US English twice. And I don’t know if it was >>>>>> just coincidental that getting rid of one of them should cause the >>>>>> keyboard to reappear. But it did. >>>>>> Mary >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the replies. so far, I have not been able to get the >>>>>>> onscreen keyboard to appear again. I have tried removing the pairing of >>>>>>> the Braille display, toggling the show keyboard check box several >>>>>>> times, reset the system with bluetooth off and with airplane mode on, >>>>>>> and probably 5 other similar attempts. I have not yet looked at support >>>>>>> pages on the web, but then again I am just getting onto a computer now >>>>>>> since my post last night. Oh, and I apologize for the typo’s in that >>>>>>> post, I was using the VoiceOver braille on screen keyboard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will definitely post if I get a solution that works, if anybody else >>>>>>> has ideas please keep them coming. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:15 AM, Katie Zodrow <kzodrow...@att.net >>>>>>>> <mailto:kzodrow...@att.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan. This happened to me also at the beginning of December >>>>>>>> over the weekend, and it was pretty frustrating when I couldn't >>>>>>>> dictate or type on my phone with the on screen keyboard. It was like >>>>>>>> my phone thought I was still connected to Bluetooth with my braille >>>>>>>> display even though the display was already turned off. Try switching >>>>>>>> Bluetooth off and then back on and see if that helps. If that doesn't >>>>>>>> work, try turning Bluetooth off and do a soft reset on your phone. >>>>>>>> When I had this problem, I eventually went to the Apple Store on >>>>>>>> Monday and they were able to reset my phone. None of my apps or data >>>>>>>> was erased and I did a back up beforehand just in case that might >>>>>>>> happen. The keyboard magically reappeared again after they turned off >>>>>>>> Bluetooth and reset it. >>>>>>>> Hope that helps. >>>>>>>> Katie >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Jonathan C. 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