Hi, Andrew: Wednesdays are my very busy day and I frequently don't get to list traffic on Wednesdays.
Also, this particular question is arguably well off topic for this list, as the distinctions between the Debian ISO that installed Mate for you and the tarch iso that would give you a pure console environment with a function Speakup are the kind of details that have nothing to do with Apple stuff. There's really no similarity to what one does in the os x terminal. Nevertheless, let me ask you to send me, from your terminal on Debian--now that you know how to redirect output into a file, the output from the following command: aplay -l And to answer the should you question, all I can say is to tell you the difference. You used an installation image that focussed on the graphical desktop. It delivered that for you, but did nothing about providing you the accessible console environment. The tarch iso will do the exact opposite. It'll give you a bare bones talking console environment. All that Mate goodness will then be up to you. So, it's up to you, really, what you want at this stage. For myself, speaking personally, looking around the Mate desktop is interesting, but not all that different from what one gets with os x on a Mac, or from Microsoft Windows. And, yes, the command line you get in the graphical environment is technically a terminal. The consoles exist for you on that machine, but they won't talk. You get to them using Ctrl+Alt+F2 probably through Ctrl+Alt+F6. None of those will talk, but they are sitting at a console login screen. if you try it, you get back to the graphical goodness with Ctrl+Alt+F1. Can you get a talking console environment from what you have? Yes, but I'd suggest doing so by enabling ssh access to that machine. The graphical environment is likely to complain about asked to function sudo, as rightly it should. Best, Janina 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > Ok, Janina, oh the info keeps on coming from you and I’m very grateful. The > trouble is you stimulate my curiosity every time. Hence I think you’d have > made a fabulous teacher. But hey, you’ve got a fantastic career I’m sure. > > Like a dog with a bone - <smile> - I will be asking for more unless you say > “enough”! So you said: "For speakup you want espeak and the espeakup > connector”. I will do a little research shortly to find out what the two: > espeak & espeak connector are but if yyou you can - and no pressure - please > tell me. Are they pieces of software and can I get them via apt-get command? > > Also, I have installed as you might remember latest Debian on my old laptop > for now with mate desktop. Might it be better for now for me to install > tarch? The way I installed Debian desktop mate was by downloading its .iso > file from the Debian.org <http://debian.org/> website and burning it into a > CD rewritable. That was a long process because on my mac disk utility > refused to burn it. So I used command line in Terminal with burn command to > burn it and it worked. Then I installed Debian from the cd onto my old > laptop. Whilst I managed to activate Orca during the installation after the > first beep when I booted the laptop from the CD (sighted assistance required > for that), I then completed the installation. But I don’t have Speakup > running at present in the command line (or should I say console?) and as I > said, I read that Orca doesn’t play well with Speakup if it works through > pulse audio. I don’t really quite know what I’m saying so feel free to > laugh. <smile> And then I’m reading and trying to understand the > speech-dispatcher and they say it runs as a back end something, which I’m > guessing, means in the background or after? <laughter from the audience > again!> > > Ok enough of the serious stuff. Here’s something amusing against the > background of the present serious situation. The generation of people to > which I belong, i.e. growing up or being in their twenties in the 60s or 70s > of the last century are often referred to in the UK as baby boomers. The > young, the millennials as we call them, have got it into their heads that we > are so rich now, have had it really easy, have danced through life and now > are financially secure. the millennials in a way resent us and in some cases > are openly hostile, wishing we’d disappear from the face of the earth so that > they, the millennials could take over and inherit whatever it is we’ve > purportedly accumulated. Mind you , I personally don’t have anything much to > leave nor many people from my generation I know. And here’s the funny line. > Since the coronavirus tends to kill older people in greater numbers than the > young, the teenagers in British schools have nicknamed the coronavirus the > “boomer remover’. I thought it was hilarious as I came across it but of > course it isn’t because they really mean it. <smile> > > Best, > > Andrew > > > On 31 Mar 2020, at 15:41, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, Andrew: > > > > Yes, you got it on comments. Usually the hash symbol at the beginning of > > a line. Your description is correct. > > > > Note that some environments use the semi-colon rather than the hash; and > > some use either. > > > > Example of semi-colon use would be the DNS files, starting with > > /etc/named.conf and the various zone files, nowadays in /var/named -- > > that's if you do your own dns! > > > > For speakup you want espeak and the espeakup connector. > > > > There's argument whether pulseaudio is a good thing or a bad thing. Some > > of us avoid it like the plague, and it is on the way to deprecation for > > a new system, but the new isn't ready for prime time yet. Audio on Linux > > has been a mess forever. It's a dirty little Linux secret. > > > > Mac gets it right. > > > > Be sure you upgrade to the latest kernels, because there's been a nasty > > bug in speakup that's just recently fixed. On Arch the fix is present in > > kernel 5.5.13. > > > > Best, > > > > Janina > > > > 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >> And a very good morning to you too, Janina, from the UK. You must be up > >> early. > >> > >> Thank you for your encouragement. I know, yes, I’m impatient and thinking > >> that I’ve lived for more than 6 decades, I am still the same. Ha! Some > >> things don’t change. I won’t give up in a hurry. It took me 7 years of > >> hard work to learn modern Greek properly to the level at which I can > >> follow radio & tv without a problem and read literature, newspapers, > >> websites in Greek and feel comfortable. So I will give Linux and cli a > >> good shot. > >> > >> I’ve just done a quick research on what it means uncomment something ; you > >> used this term in the most recent response to me. I think I’ve found the > >> answer. It’s to do with config files where you either insert a number > >> sign at start of line so that it is ignored, or remove the number sign so > >> that it becomes visible to the computer. Is that right? What editor > >> would you use to edit such files both in Terminal and in cli in Linux? > >> Are such editors already there, or are they to be installed? > >> > >> Anyway, by the sound of it you had a hell of a busy day yesterday. Hope > >> you had rested and that your groceries had arrived. > >> > >> Well, I’m just researching how to; enable Speakup in the console on Linux > >> and how to make it play with Orca. Somebody elsewhere mentioned it was > >> possible and spoke of having to do something with pulseaudio. > >> > >> Have a good day. > >> > >> Andrew > >>> On 31 Mar 2020, at 10:30, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey, Andrew. Good morning of another day to you from the U.S. East > >>> Coast! > >>> > >>> Is this thread Mac related? Yeah, we've mentioned Linux a lot, but the > >>> truth is that almost all of what we've talked about applies to the Mac > >>> Terminal. And, I think I've tried to point out where things in the > >>> Terminal are the same, and where they're different. I know this list > >>> doesn't to have a lot of discussion about the terminal, but I promise > >>> you it's the power environment that Apple engineers use heavily. > >>> > >>> A quick example: > >>> > >>> The Mac utility for managing disks has both a graphical interface and a > >>> cli interface. We've had lots of discussion here about Disk Utility, but > >>> very little about diskutil. Guess which one can do more. And, should you > >>> need one of those functions the graphical tool doesn't provide, your > >>> only option is the cli. > >>> > >>> Just to be complete, Linux doesn't have a diskutil, though it certainly > >>> has tools for managing disks at that level. Apple's disk management is > >>> quite sophisticated. > >>> > >>> So, don't give up! You've just started, and you're learning fast. This > >>> should become fairly soon as you learn more. > >>> > >>> Lastly, get used to the idea that you'll never know it all. Not even > >>> after 30 years of heavy use of the cli will you know it all. That needs > >>> to be OK, and it should help provide perspective. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Janina > >>> > >>> As she reaches for her coffee amaretto ... > >>> > >>> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>> Haha! Good advice, Simon, which I have practised for some time now. > >>>> Now that we are in lockdown, one of the most upsetting thing in the > >>>> supermarket were empty wine shelves, no beer for that matter either. A > >>>> consignment from Amazon arrived yesterday to help me with my Linux > >>>> studies. Hee hee! Gosh, this thread’s getting very useful and > >>>> entertaining to boot. I feel a bit bad having started it because it’s > >>>> obviously only. marginally mac OS related. The more I learn about Linux > >>>> and cli, the more fascinating it becomes. But I also become more and > >>>> more anxious about my ability to get to any acceptable level, not that I > >>>> want to run before I can walk. It’s the sheer body of knowledge, the > >>>> concepts and terms that I feel I haven’t got a solid grasp of, and > >>>> there’s so much more. So when I was doing the TDSR installation and saw > >>>> some of the commands, it made my blood curdle. I don’t want to give up > >>>> without a good fight though. > >>>> > >>>> Take care > >>>> > >>>> Andrew > >>>>> On 31 Mar 2020, at 08:14, Simon A Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hey Andrew, > >>>>> > >>>>> What you’ve done sounds great congrats, > >>>>> > >>>>> And don’t become an alcoholic, > >>>>> Become a drunkid > >>>>> > >>>>> Alcoholics have to go to meetings > >>>>> > >>>>> Drunkids just keep drinking. > >>>>> > >>>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2020 7:08 AM > >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: A couple Terminal questions > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello Janina, > >>>>> > >>>>> I think I’ve done it. I’ve made TDSR talk with Daniel, British voice. > >>>>> I’m exhausted and my nerves are jangling but I’m so glad. by the time > >>>>> I become a mediocre cli user, I shall probably become an alcoholic too. > >>>>> <smile> > >>>>> > >>>>> I got the same warning message I’m pasting just underneath: > >>>>> "You will encounter build failures with some formulae. > >>>>> Please create pull requests instead of asking for help on Homebrew's > >>>>> GitHub, > >>>>> Discourse, Twitter or IRC. You are responsible for resolving any issues > >>>>> you > >>>>> experience while you are running this old version.” > >>>>> But then I proceeded to reinstall python and as soon as I issued the > >>>>> command a brief message flashed across the screen saying updating > >>>>> Homebrew, so maybe Homebrew has been updated. It would appear from > >>>>> what I’ve been reading on installation instructions that Sierra is > >>>>> supported but it says as best as possible. I guess Sierra was the first > >>>>> 64bit MacOs. The rest of the installation went well and when I issued > >>>>> the final command ~/tdsr/tdsr I heard the familiar Daniel voice. How > >>>>> fabulous! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On the same page, I’ve found instructions for installing TDSR on Linux, > >>>>> so I will try to do it too. Should I be doing it as root? By the way, > >>>>> talking of root, when I’m logged in as user, how do i find out whether > >>>>> I’ve given myself sudo privileges or not? If not, can I still do it, > >>>>> or do I have to repeat the installation? The instructions for linux > >>>>> tell me to install speech dispatcher and Python3. Would I use the > >>>>> command. Install for them both and is speech dispatcher for > >>>>> installation purposes spelt as two words or one or with a hyphen? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you very much again, Janina, for your help. I’m a bit anxious > >>>>> having imposed on you and your time so do feel free to let me know if > >>>>> it’s too much. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, back to Joe Kissell’s Tutorial on Mastering the Command line in > >>>>> MacOS. Oh, one more thing. I tried to change the shell in Terminal > >>>>> from Bash to Zsh with chsh /bin/zsh but it didn’t take. Is it because > >>>>> I’m still running this Terminal on Sierra/. I’ve succeeded on my > >>>>> Catalina machine. > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew > >>>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 15:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Again, Andrew: > >>>>> > >>>>> Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I think I must have steered you to an > >>>>> out of date repository. > >>>>> > >>>>> I checked with my installation which runs as expected and got the > >>>>> following pointer: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://docs.brew.sh <https://docs.brew.sh/> <https://docs.brew.sh/ > >>>>> <https://docs.brew.sh/>> <https://docs.brew.sh/ <https://docs.brew.sh/> > >>>>> <https://docs.brew.sh/ <https://docs.brew.sh/>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you go there and follow the Installation link, you should have up to > >>>>> date instructions. They're definitely different! Like everyone else, > >>>>> seems homebrew brews on github, too! > >>>>> > >>>>> My guess is that it will say something about an out of date or partial > >>>>> install, and ask to remove or overwrite it. You'll happily say yes! > >>>>> > >>>>> Or, it will just do it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let me know how it goes. > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina > >>>>> > >>>>> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, Andrew: > >>>>> > >>>>> Homebrew should be fine with Sierra. It's possible the link in the page > >>>>> you got from me was old. That would explain the error you got. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, I'm thinking good clear instructions, but an old, out of date web > >>>>> pointer. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll check that out for you. Meanwhile, there's no damage done. You just > >>>>> don't have a usable homebrew. More soon. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina > >>>>> > >>>>> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Janina, > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok, so I have gone ahead and installed Homebrew. Everything seems to > >>>>> have gone ok apart from the fact that after executing the command to > >>>>> install Homebrew, I got a warning message saying that this installation > >>>>> was old and unsupported and whether I wanted to go ahead. I ddid go > >>>>> ahead with it. In the instructions on the web page it says to run the > >>>>> command Homebrew doctor to make sure whether the installation has been > >>>>> executed successfully. I did run the command but obtained no feedback. > >>>>> One point I should have clarified is that I have installed Homebrew on > >>>>> Mac OS Sierra I run on this particular machine. I’m still in Sierra on > >>>>> this laptop because of the Greek voice which I need and which was > >>>>> broken in High Sierra and has not been fixed by Apple since although > >>>>> I’ve been reporting it for over 4 years. So I(i have to keep this > >>>>> computer behind. I might try to install Homebrew on Catalina later. > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina, you say something about Nano editor. Should I already have it > >>>>> on my mac, or do I need to download it? I’ve paused going ahead with > >>>>> the rest of the instructions until I hear from you on Nano Editor. > >>>>> Don’t want to break anything. <smile> > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew > >>>>> > >>>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 10:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, Andrew: > >>>>> > >>>>> I can, and sbelow will, walk you through getting homebrew installed on > >>>>> your Mac. It's just useful to have it. > >>>>> > >>>>> What it does: Allows you to run a lot of Linux utilities directly on > >>>>> your Mac terminal. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now, for tdsr, which I presume means something like "terminal desktop > >>>>> screen readner,' or something similar. I'm just guessing ... > >>>>> > >>>>> I got it running. I launched while ssh'd into my machine. That did > >>>>> several things: > >>>>> > >>>>> * Launched tdsr on my Mac Airbook. That's a good thing. > >>>>> > >>>>> * Made my Mac respond with speech to every command I typed > >>>>> in my > >>>>> * ssh session. That's a bad thing. > >>>>> > >>>>> * The Mac would not respond to a tap of the Ctrl. That's a > >>>>> bad > >>>>> * thing. Shutting speech up is almost as important as > >>>>> getting > >>>>> * speech happening. You can't be efficient if you can't stop > >>>>> * speech, and go on to your next command. And, every > >>>>> platform out > >>>>> * there, Windows, Mac, Linux all the screen readers shutup > >>>>> when > >>>>> * you tap Ctrl. Maybe that's in the configuration part I > >>>>> didn't > >>>>> * yet deal with, but it should be a builtin default, imo. > >>>>> > >>>>> * Doing Alt-TAB on the Mac didn't shut TDSR up either. > >>>>> That's also > >>>>> * a bad thing, imo. A terminal level application should be > >>>>> * sufficiently context aware to know when it's no longer the > >>>>> * foreground app and the right thing in that situation, > >>>>> again imo, > >>>>> * is to shut up immediately. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, I'm going to show you homebroew, I even suggest you get it for the > >>>>> silly little calculator script I provided in another email. You do want > >>>>> to start writing scripts fairly soon, but I don't know whether tdsr is > >>>>> ready for serious use just yet. > >>>>> > >>>>> So, with that disclaimer, here's a web page with very good instructions > >>>>> on installing and using homebrew: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx><https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx>><https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx><https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://www.studytonight.com/post/what-is-homebrew-and-how-to-install-it-on-mac-osx>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> NOTE: There's a step in the above web page where they have you use an > >>>>> application called nano to edit your .bash_profile file. Nano is OK, > >>>>> though not as good as vim or emacs. For now, no problem using it, but > >>>>> you will need to pick up vim or emacs in the next couple months--another > >>>>> conversation. > >>>>> > >>>>> I digress. You do want to edit, probably .zshrc -- but as I said in that > >>>>> entertained you (you're welcome, we do all need a smile early and often > >>>>> each day) I'm not up to speed on just those kinds of facts. It's part of > >>>>> why I haven't jumped ship from bash to zsh yet myself. What do I do with > >>>>> all my profile customizations? > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway, the explanation of why you want /usr/local in your path ahead of > >>>>> everything else is very spot on. The how to do it in zsh is where I'm > >>>>> stumbling. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina, > >>>>> > >>>>> I’ve looked carefully at Greg’s suggestion and then did a search for > >>>>> Homebrew and TDSR and since the only thing i understand about Python is > >>>>> that it is one of the programming languages, I thought I’m too green > >>>>> around the gills to even attempt to play around with TDSR in case I > >>>>> mess up my mac. Would you agree? <smile> > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrew > >>>>> > >>>>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 06:32, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks for the reminder, Greg. I'm just now starting the install of > >>>>> TDSR. For me that means an update of homebrew, followed by an upgrade of > >>>>> python3, and that is taking quite some time. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopeing the result will truly be easier to use than VO in the terminal, > >>>>> as you suggest. That would be a good thing, imo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina > >>>>> > >>>>> Greg Wocher writes: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> You might want to try the TDSR console screen reader for Mac. It makes > >>>>> working with the terminal a bit easier. It can be found at: > >>>>> https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr>><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr>>><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr>><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr><https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr > >>>>> <https://github.com/tspivey/tdsr>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Greg Wocher > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine > >>>>> the window content with Voiceover? Say , ls -l command produces a list > >>>>> of files in the directory I am in. How can I examine each file and > >>>>> maybe even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if I > >>>>> were to use the -l flag, which would produce long information about > >>>>> each item. > >>>>> > >>>>> Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut > >>>>> techniques the author teaches is to start typing the name of a > >>>>> directory to which one wishes to change and then pressing tab, which > >>>>> would result in Terminal completing the name or else giving a list of > >>>>> available names if there should be more than one. This doesn’t seem to > >>>>> work. When I press the tab, I hear the ominous bong bong. So this > >>>>> technique doesn’t work. 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You can reach mark > >>>>> at:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>>and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach > >>>>> Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com>><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>>> an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>>. > >>>>> To view this discussion on the web > >>>>> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com><visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com>><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0FFD2285-C62A-4115-B8FD-1DEE44486FA8%40gwocher.com>>>. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina Sajka > >>>>> > >>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow > >>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org > >>>>> <http://a11y.org/> <http://a11y.org/ > >>>>> <http://a11y.org/>><http://a11y.org/ <http://a11y.org/> > >>>>> <http://a11y.org/ <http://a11y.org/>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > >>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa><architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <architectureshttp://www.w3.org/wai/apa>><http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa><http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > >>>>> itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >>>>> at:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>>and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach > >>>>> Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com>><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>>> an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>>. > >>>>> To view this discussion on the web > >>>>> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net><visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net>><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330053201.GM2206%40rednote.net>>>. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > >>>>> itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >>>>> at:mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>>and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach > >>>>> Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com>><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>>> an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>>. > >>>>> To view this discussion on the web > >>>>> visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com><visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com>><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/AC7FC1FD-9557-4A78-B1D3-989CCDA83A69%40me.com>>>. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Janina Sajka > >>>>> > >>>>> Linux Foundation Fellow > >>>>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: > >>>>> http://a11y.org <http://a11y.org/> <http://a11y.org/ > >>>>> <http://a11y.org/>> <http://a11y.org/ > >>>>> <http://a11y.org/><http://a11y.org/ <http://a11y.org/>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > >>>>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures > >>>>> http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa><http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa><http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>>>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > >>>>> itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > >>>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>>>and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach > >>>>> Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>>> an email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>>. > >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net>><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net > >>>>> > >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200330095928.GP2206%40rednote.net>>>. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>>> Visionaries list. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, > >>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact > >>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list > >>>>> itself. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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You can reach mark > >>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu><mailto:mk...@ucla.edu > >>>> <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu>> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach > >>>> Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com><mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> > >>>> > >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/><http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/>> > >>>> --- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>>. > >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit > >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FBD899B-4C51-47EE-97FE-BAA762990F7A%40me.com > >>>> > >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FBD899B-4C51-47EE-97FE-BAA762990F7A%40me.com><https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FBD899B-4C51-47EE-97FE-BAA762990F7A%40me.com > >>>> > >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6FBD899B-4C51-47EE-97FE-BAA762990F7A%40me.com>>. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Janina Sajka > >>> > >>> Linux Foundation Fellow > >>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > >>> <http://a11y.org/> <http://a11y.org/ <http://a11y.org/>> > >>> > >>> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > >>> Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa><http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >>> <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>> Visionaries list. > >>> > >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>> > >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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You can reach mark > >> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >> > >> The archives for this list can be searched at: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > >> --- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/BA742C85-7BAA-4166-BAE8-8E73C7993362%40me.com. > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > <http://a11y.org/> > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > <http://www.w3.org/wai/apa> > > > > -- > > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > > Visionaries list. > > > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners > > or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200331144142.GB2206%40rednote.net > > > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/20200331144142.GB2206%40rednote.net>. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/6B542E71-57C9-4856-A891-9B892999A408%40me.com. -- Janina Sajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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