Hi Jonathan, Thanks for chiming in. Yes, you’re totally correct for proper use in HTML, but for Ramy’s Arabic name pronounciation, he does not have the html coded into his name. In iOS and iPadOS, it simply pronounces the Arabic spelling with an Arabic voice and accent. Supposedly, this is now what should happen in MacOS as well. I did some testing after getting a good hint from your contribution and did some testing with the below html:
<p>This is in English</p> <p>BonJour. Je m'apple Tim. Comment ca va aujourd'hui?</p> <p>This will be in French</p> <p><span lang="fr">BonJour. Je m'apple Tim. Comment ca va aujourd'hui?</span></P> The first paragraph with the French phrase is spoken by VO as English pronunciation of the French words. The second paragraph with the language specification is spoken in French, unless you interact with the item. Once interacted with, it is just spoken as English pronunciation of French once again. It may be much more complicated than I originally posted, but it seems to me that the MacOS is not currently handling this as well as iOS and iPadOS, even though I believe it is supposed to. Also, Ramy, if you prefer having the Arabic spelling included as part of your name, then all the power to you. There is no way that you should feel like you need to suppress your identity or culture. I hope that all this conversation back and forth has not offended you at all. My hope is to make the Mac do what it is supposed to and, therefore, pronounce your Arabic spelling properly. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On May 6, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Unfortunately it isn't enough to just throw in a foreign language, you need > to indicate it is a different language. in HTML you would usually use a span > tag for this. > <span lang="fr">BonJour </span> > I wrote the above in textedit and saved it as bj.html (after making sure it > was a plain text file). When I opened that file in Safari, VO read it in a > French voice. I then copies the entire HTML page and pasted it below, I > believe it will still use my English synthesizer. > I even tried changing the spell check to French which is enough on Microsoft > Word to change the language. So, I don't know how one writes multi-lingual > text on Mac and have VO recognize it. > > BonJour > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > > >> On May 5, 2020, at 4:01 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> You shouldn’t really notice any change unless you land on text that is in a >> different language. If VO figures out the that it is French, or Spanish >> etc, it should change accordingly for pronouncing that, or those, words. It >> will remain speaking Alex the rest of the time. >> >> I’ll throw a French word or two in the sentence below to see if it works at >> all. >> >> Bonjour, je m’appelle Tim. Comment ça va? >> >> A bientot. >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Jamf Certified Tech >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >>> On May 5, 2020, at 1:52 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I read Tim’s instructions but it’s not made any difference. I land on that >>> option and voice over does nothing when I press the space bar. >>> >>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:48, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> But I want to use Alex. I just want to turn off the automatic language so >>>> those characters don’t get read out. >>>> >>>>> On 5 May 2020, at 20:46, Pete De Vasto <pdevasto0...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:pdevasto0...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you perform the below instructions, using the down-arrow instead of up >>>>> will take you past the automatic language suggestion and land on other >>>>> voices like Alex or Victoria or Samantha or whoever you want. At least, >>>>> that’s what happened to me. Also, it may take a couple of seconds for VO >>>>> to load the next voice you come upon when you do this. >>>>> >>>>> Pete >>>>> >>>>>> On May 5, 2020, at 12:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries >>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> So how do you turn off the automatic language? Couldn’t find it where >>>>>> the language was. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 May 2020, at 18:44, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This option can be found by holding down, VO + CMD + SHIFT, then + Left >>>>>>> or Right Arrow until you get to Voice, then up arrow until you get to >>>>>>> Automatically Select Based on Language. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Brad - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 5, 2020, at 11:07, Dave Carlson <dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>> <mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pete, >>>>>>> Think it’s under Settings/General/Keyboard. 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