hey,
Those instructions worked an absolute treat, thanks so much.

> On 28 Oct 2020, at 11:49 pm, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote:
> 
> See the following instructions for adding ringtones to an iOS device from a 
> Mac running Catalina.
> Please note the following:
> 1.  You cannot use the command VO + comma/period to drag and drop.
> 2.  You do not drop the ringtone you want to add in the “General” area.
> 
> Follow the instructions below exactly as written, and you should be 
> successful.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> Moving a Ringtone to an iOS Device from a Mac Running Catalina
> 
> Adding a custom ringtone to an iOS device from a Mac running Catalina, is 
> possible using VoiceOver, albeit a little challenging as it requires drag and 
> drop.
> 
> After creating your ringtone, follow these steps to add it to your iPhone 
> from a Mac running Catalina:
> 
> 1.  Connect your iPhone to your Mac with the USB charging cable.
> 2.  On your Mac, open a Finder window to the folder location where the custom 
> ring-tone resides.
> 3.  Open a second Finder window )or tab), where you can select your iPhone 
> from the Sidebar.
> 4.  Return to the Finder window where the custom ringtone resides.
> 5.  Interact with the table or browser, and using VO, navigate to the 
> ringtone you wish to move to the iOS device.
> 6.  Once you are at the tone, press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO 
> location.
> Note:  You may need to include the fn key in order for the F-keys to perform 
> as normal F-keys.
> 7.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
> 8.  Navigate to the iPhone window.
> 9.  Navigate to the item that announces the name of your iPhone, how much 
> space is used and its charge level.  On mine, it's the item that's one 
> VO-right after the edit field with my iPhone name in it.
> 10.  Press VO-cmd-shift-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location.
> 11.  Press VO-cmd-shift-space to toggle the mouse-up action.
> 
> This drops the tone and will immediately copy it to your iPhone.  It will 
> show up in the tones section of Sounds & Haptics for your use.
> 
> 
> On Oct 28, 2020, at 02:30, Michael Marshall <mightymaggie...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mightymaggie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> Having a very frustrating and aggravating problem with my new iPhone 12.
> I have a couple of custom ringtones that I created and I'm trying to send 
> them to my phone.
> Of course with the old iTunes, it was a lot easier, you could just put it in 
> the automatically add to iTunes folder and sync it to the phone and you were 
> done.
> With Catalina, apparently you have to drag the ringtone into the general area 
> of the iPhone on the side bar but the problem is, the voice-over drag 
> commands do not work here and well, it doesn't really work at all.
> Was going to have a look at the program iMazing but I absolutely will not pay 
> $69 Australian for it and when I used the trial version, I couldn't really 
> work out what to do anyway.
> Has anyone got any ideas? I'm ripping my own hair out.
> 
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