Hi Yuma, I agree with you. I’ve learned to live with the touch bar, but after four years, I still am not a fan. I’m about to buy one of the new Macs, and I’ve decided to get a MacBook Air precisely because I want function keys and not a touch bar. Cheers, Donna
Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2021, at 1:05 AM, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > thanks for your suggestions, however I don't find taking away a whole row of > function keys something that I can accept. These are called function keys for > a reason, they have a function to which you can map something in order for > your workflow to be more efficient. > > I'm not a casual mac user, such as listening to music, reading mail or doing > web stuff. I am a full developer, and use the terminal and programming IDEs > extensively, create my own scripts to automate things and do most of the > stuff available on commercial apps with my own knowledge of the system, and > even develop apps that help further that automation. > > Giving away a row of function keys that also tend to trigger unwarrantedly, > such as when I'm typing, is also a design flaw. In fact, if you don't see any > use in the touch bar, this is a design flaw in itself. I want something that > is not only slick, and works really well in most circumstances, which is what > the mac does, but I also want something that allows me to fully utilise what > the designers have given me as a tool for my everyday. the touch bar doesn't > match my expectations in this regard, as it's not functional, it lags, often > gets in my way when I type and other things, because I have long thick > fingers, but with mechanical function keys this would not occur, and it takes > away approximately 12 different functions I can map the keys to, such as fast > switching between apps, or between different sections of an app. One such app > is eclipse, or xcode, some apps in the terminal, a whole set of things that > now I have to map to other keyboard shortcuts which is less intuitive, and > may conflict with other keys. > > Long story short, I purchased the mbp 16 because I thought that the touch bar > will be snappy and responsive, as I would expect from something as crucial > and critical as function keys, but this is not the case, hence my rant. > > This doesn't mean I hate Apple, it's constructive criticism, and I think the > guys at apple hardware are in fact ditching the touch bar anyway. > > A++ > > Yuma > > >> On 26 Apr 2021, at 1:35 am, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: >> >> Sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time adjusting to the TouchBar >> on your MacBook Pro. >> I have a 2019 MacBook Pro 13, and while I don’t find the TouchBar useful, I >> don’t have a problem with it because I rarely need to use it. >> >> Perhaps you are not aware that there are other ways to perform common >> activities, then by interacting with the TouchBar. >> 1. For example, you can switch between running applications by using CMD + >> Tab. >> 2. VoiceOver users can access the AppSwitcher using Fn + VO, and pressing >> the NumberRow 1 key once to hear the current application, and twice to open >> the AppSwitcher. >> 3. Using Fn + VO + NumberRow 2, will identify the current application >> window, and pressing the NumberRow 2 key a second time, will open the Window >> Chooser. >> 4. Using FN + Tab, will perform the Escape function. >> 5. System volume can be adjusted using VO and the NumberRow Minus key to >> lower the volume, and the Equals key to increase the volume. >> >> Some of the activities mentioned above can also be accomplished using the >> TrackPad Commander, though personally, I find keyboard commands simpler to >> use. >> As mentioned in another post, you could also choose to use a separate USB or >> Bluetooth keyboard, >> >> I hope you find these suggestions helpful, and your TouchBar Mac less >> frustrating for you to use. >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Apr 25, 2021, at 00:43, Yuma Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am ranting on this post, but I really cannot stand this touch bar anymore. >> It's completely useless on a functional basis, as when trying to do stuff in >> an efficient way, such as switching applications and using the function keys >> for doing the switches, I have to keep massaging the damn touch bar with a >> finger long enough for it to decide to wake up at some point. Each time I do >> this, it's like a 4 to 6 second wait. that time is enough for me to have to >> remember either the line of math or code or whatever I was keeping in memory >> to move across to another application or such. >> >> I really cannot stand this absolute farce of a feature which is meant to >> make things look pretty but has no use at all when it comes to being >> productive. And having a mac for me is meant to be synonymous with being >> efficient and productive, least path of resistance, it just works, those >> kind of things. The touch bar is the complete contrarian design idiocy that >> for some reason creeped into a perfectly awesome laptop which is the macbook >> pro 16 inch. >> >> I spent over 7000 australian dollars for this, and the touch bar itself >> jjust makes me want to throw this laptop out of the window at least 5 times >> a day, simply because this entire row of touch screen pretty pretty but >> totally useless b buttons is there not wanting to wake up snappilly and >> respond to what I want it to do. >> >> A complete thumbs down on whoever gave the green light on this most stupid >> feature. >> >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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