Looking forward to that! Cheers, Donna
> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <Macvisionaries@Googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > It’s probably a real estate issue. The iPads are both thicker and bigger > than an iPhone, thus there are more components crammed into a smaller > footprint. Supposedly by the iPhone 15, in 2023, there will be under glass > finger-print recognition. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:56 AM, <skipper8...@gmail.com >> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> <skipper8...@gmail.com >> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I agree with you, and this is why I didn’t even consider the new iPhone Mini. >> >> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:32 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) >> >> I don’t know, but that’s still not as fast as just having Touch ID. >> >> The other thing I don’t understand about this issue is that all the new >> iPads come with Touch ID built into the top button. If they can do that on >> the iPads, why not also build it into the phones? >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >> >>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:29 AM, <skipper8...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> <skipper8...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay. >>> Could you disable Face ID temporarily and just use the passcode? >>> >>> >>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 11:28 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) >>> >>> Yes, but none that pertain to unlocking the phone. >>> Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, skipper8...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, can u use the back tap feature to replace some of the newer gestures? >>>> >>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2021 10:34 AM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) >>>> >>>> Hi Dave, >>>> >>>> Not Shawn, but I’ll give you my take on this. >>>> >>>> First, I do like the Home button. I’ve had Face ID since the 10 came out, >>>> so I’m used to the gestures, but I still would prefer a home button. >>>> >>>> As for face ID being faster, that’s not my experience. With face ID, I >>>> can’t unlock the phone until it’s in front of my face. With Touch ID, I >>>> could unlock it while I was pulling it out of my purse, so by the time it >>>> was situated in my hand, it was already unlocked. >>>> >>>> Finally, there are two situations which I encounter on a daily basis in >>>> which Face ID doesn’t work at all. Face ID is an ordeal when you’re >>>> wearing a mask, requiring you to pull your mask down before unlocking the >>>> phone, which harkens back to your point that Face ID is faster. It’s not >>>> faster by the time you pull out your phone, pull down your mask, and then >>>> unlock the phone. And I think wearing masks is going to be with us for a >>>> while, so that’s a great argument for Touch ID. The other issue I have is >>>> when I’m in bright sunlight. In that situation, the screen washes out, >>>> and Face ID doesn’t work at all. I can’t begin to guess how many times >>>> I’ve had to contort my body into some weird position just to avoid having >>>> the lighting wash out my screen. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Shawn, >>>>> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your >>>>> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than >>>>> using Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button >>>>> that’s actually your reason for your iPhone preference? >>>>> >>>>> Dave Carlson >>>>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as >>>>> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Shawn, >>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air >>>>> >>>>> Want to join my WhatsApp groups such as Echo Enthusiasts, Accessibility >>>>> Matters, Mac Users And Newbies or the Tech Zone? Send me a private email >>>>> with your contact information and the group you wish to join and I'll >>>>> happily add you. >>>>> >>>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, <skipper8...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> <skipper8...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or >>>>>> iPad. >>>>>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and >>>>>> I do not think it has 5G. >>>>>> However, those features are not a priority for me. >>>>>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the >>>>>> iPhone Mini 12 and 13 are out. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> >>>>>> I must say I am very happy with mine too. >>>>>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was >>>>>> using IOS 11 on it. lol >>>>>> >>>>>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it. >>>>>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external >>>>>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Tali >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> >>>>>> <skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020. >>>>>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8. >>>>>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery. >>>>>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM >>>>>>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>>>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation >>>>>>> (2020). >>>>>>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor. 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